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1 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Harmonizer | 85321 | ||
I read several responses to your question, but not all so if this is a repeat sorry. Here is my short answer. Remember all scripture must harmonize. Matthew 28 does not cancel out Acts 2 nor the other way around. These two must harmonize. So how do we make these harmonize along with all the other baptism scriptures. Simply what is the NAME of the father? what is the NAME of the son? what is the NAME of the Holy Ghost? Jesus said name - singular, not names. Father is not a name, son is not a name, HG is not a name - these are titles. So what is the one name that fulfills this command. The apostles had the revelation that Jesus (Jehovah-Saviour) was that name. God has many titles, but there is one name that is above every name that we must be saved by Acts 4:10-12. If the apostles messed it up how could any of us even think that we could get it right? All scripture must work in harmony. In this case to make these scriptures hamonize - Jesus is the name of the father - the name of the son and the name of the Holy Ghost. I hope that makes sense and helps. | ||||||
2 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | BradK | 85336 | ||
Dear Harmonizer, Welcome to the Forum. I read your statement and was a bit perplexed, if not confused. I do agree that we must attempt to harmonize scripture.Possibly your could clarify or provide a better scriptural basis for your contentions? You say "Simply what is the NAME of the father? what is the NAME of the son? what is the NAME of the Holy Ghost?" I believe it is evident that the Bible tells us that God (Jehovah) is the Father, and that Jesus is the Son. To my knowledge, scripture does not give the Holy Spirit a specific name, does it? Further,you state that "Jesus is the name of the father - the name of the son and the name of the Holy Ghost" This would appear to be "Oneness" doctrine that you advocate. In all honesty this doesn't make sense. If you have any compelling scriptural basis to substantiate your assertion, I'd certainly welcome it:-) Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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3 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Harmonizer | 85414 | ||
I'd be glad to elaborate. First are we in agreement that the transliteration of the name JESUS is Jehovah-Saviour? John 5:43 'I am come in my Father's name" John 14 - "if you've seen me you've seen the Father" The jews biggest hangup was believing in the NAME, they could not believe that this carpenter was the one who 'declared'(John 17:26), manifested((John 17:6) and revealed the Father's name. Isaiah 9:6 'his name shall be called .... the everlasting Father..." There are more examples, but even historically we find that the trinitarian baptism was a much later development coming centuries after the beginning of the church. If the apostles invoked the name of Jesus during baptism - logically this is the name of the Father, son and Holy Ghost. Yes I am a oneness believer (Howbeit I was not raised that way). I believe God is a Spirit who throughout time has manifested himself in different ways and has different titles, but is still one 'person'. Jesus is the 'image' of the invisible God- Colossians 1:15 and the express image of His 'person' (singular) - Hebrews 1:1-3. I am sure you have heard the common phrase that there are three persons in the godhead, but that is inconsistant with Colossian chapter 2 which says that 'in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily'. Men say Jesus is in the Godhead, but the Bible says that the Godhead is in Jesus. Aside from that the only way we can make MT 28 and Acts 2 harmonize is if Jesus is the NAME. I hope Peter got it right don't you? And I don't say that sarcastically, I really mean that if the apostles didn't get it right after Jesus instructed them another 40 days after his resurrection concerning the things of the kingdom how could we even think to have a clue? Maranatha | ||||||
4 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Mathew | 85424 | ||
Harmonizer, I dont beleive that Peter, or any of the apostles went around dunking people and chanting the name of Jesus every time someone was baptized. Nor do I beleive that they spoke the words "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." The word "IN", means "INTO" in the text you are refuring to. I do totaly agree with the FACT that the name of Jesus is the name for the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I beleive that we are baptized INTO the name of Jesus. We put on Christ at baptism through faith by speaking out with our mouths that we are sinners. Am I saved by what some other person says over me, or by what God hears with MY mouth? What if they pronounce the name of Jesus wrong, or in a differant language other than Hebrew. Does It still count. And If we are baptized wrong, then add it to the list of the rest of the things i do wrong. Because were sin abounds grace does much more abound. There is no abra-cadabra at baptism, just the intent of your heart. Just my thoughts, Matt |
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5 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Harmonizer | 85561 | ||
Very interesting. In 15 years I have never heard anyone with your perspective. That is that yes Jesus is the name of the Father ..., but it does not matter what is said!? Is this a denominational teaching or just your view. I agree that it is the condition of the persons heart that makes a difference. If a person does not repent baptism does not matter it's the 'answer of a good conscience toward God'. However I still believe that what is said matters because what is said is tied into what the person believes. People who baptize and get baptized using the titles do not believe that Jesus is the name of the Father. And Jesus said in John 'except ye believe that I am he ye shall die in your sins'. Since baptism is for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38, 22:16) if a person doesn't believe that Jesus is Jehovah-Savior they will not get baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins. It is the same hang up today as for the Jews back then they didn't believe that the carpenter was the Father and most "believers" today are the same way. Consider this observation and reflect on believers you have encountered. People believe in THEIR belief. Not necessarily what the Bible says because when shown something that is not what they've heard all their life the response is ' I don't believe that.' In America we have the extreme priviledge to have as many Bibles as we want in as many versions as we want yet most 'believers' don't really study. Part of what I try to do is show people this issue in particular and some others that is probably not what they have heard their whole life and then encourage them to diligently study for themselves 'to see if these things are so.' We need to be like those in Berea - hearers, thinkers and searchers. It sounds like you feel the same. Maranatha, Tim |
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6 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Mathew | 85639 | ||
Tim, I agree with everything you said about getting baptized. I agree that a person should be baptized "into" the name of Jesus. And to do this you must beleive in your heart that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior. The name which is above ALL names. To say that the person doing the baptizing must speak out the name, seems irrelavent though. Not to mention the bible doesnt say that they actually spoke out the name of Jesus. But rather were baptized into his name. Because for instance; in whos name was Jesus baptized? Or what about the theif on the cross? Was he baptized? Just as God knows if we have committed murder by hating our brother, and adultry if we lust in our hearts. I beleive that when we confess Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior with our mouth, that he knows in our hearts whos name were getting baptized into. So even though I think people that use "In the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost our wrong" I dont beleive that it is an invalid baptism, as long as they know that their getting baptized INTO Jesus name. And like the bible says, were sin abounds,grace does much more abound. Were we are weak, he is strong. I think that every Christian knows that when they receive the Holy Ghost, their receiving Gods Spirit, which is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost....The name of "Jesus". Jesus was the fullness of the GodHead bodily. We have that same Spirit in portion. This is not a denominational teaching, its just my view. And if your wondering, I beleive that Jesus Christ is the Spirit of God(Father)incarnate. Christ is only called the Son according to the flesh. I'm a Seventh Day Adventist who doesn't beleive in Three seperate Spirits. Only One. MaTT |
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7 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Emmaus | 85640 | ||
Matt, We are baptized into Jesus not into his name. We are baptized "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit". When we do something in someone's name we do it with their authority, like a Police Officer saying "stop in the name of the Law." He is claiming to exercise the authority of the Law which has been delegated to him by a higher authority. So the Church and the minister who is batizing "in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit" is doing so with the authority of the Holy Trinity that Jesus delegated to his deisciples when He gave them the great commisision to go forth and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Emmaus |
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