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1 | Without the Spirit? | Acts 2:38 | charis | 2133 | ||
Dear inhzsvc, Talk about a 'blast from the past!' I am sure that you win the 'answers to previous postings' prize, and I congratulate you :-) On a more serious note: How can you forget the importance of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit? This is truly the only time I have heard anyone deny the 'creation of the church' on the Day of Pentecost. Your 'few reasons' (16, no less!) are thorough and well-presented. I would have a hard time arguing against any of them, except for one thing. Israel had all the facilities and functions and organization to be called a 'church,' too. Indeed, Christ "...chose us in Him before the foundation of the world..."Ephesians 1:4 NASB, but without the Spirit, nothing could begin! Nothing! That is precisely why He had to send the Comforter and Helper. We needed this "Power from on high." Luke 24:49 NASB The glorification of the church started on the Day of Pentecost. (It's like having a Ferrari without gasoline, or a 1 GHz notebook PC without a charged battery, useless, though very impressive :-) Friend, if I read it right, all that was to prove that we have to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? What about anything else we do? In the name of Jesus, or otherwise? Blessings to you in Jesus' name, charis |
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2 | Without the Spirit? | Acts 2:38 | inHzsvc | 2139 | ||
Charis, No, that was not all to prove to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That was simply a side note. Your example about a Ferrari without gasoline is interesting. However, the Ferrari is still a Ferrari without gasoline. While Christ was on Earth with His Church, there was no need for them to be empowered by the Holy Spirit. However, after He left them, He told them to wait for the empowering of the Spirit. That didn't make them a church(ekklessia--called out assembly). It simply enabled them to carry out what He had previously instructed them to do. God bless. I appreciate your brotherly kindness. |
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3 | Without the Spirit? | Acts 2:38 | charis | 2162 | ||
Dear inhzsvc, without gasoline, a Ferrari is red and beautiful, and expensive, but inanimate. Also a Ferrari without the growl, the roar, and assorted engine music is only eye-candy :-) In any case, I cannot experience anything but the sights and sounds of the one, but I can experience the animate power of the other. Though I agree with you in the semantic sense, the church was almost totally impotent until His Spirit indwelled them. That I why I said they were 'created' on the Day of Pentecost. I was under the impression that this was a commonly held view. If I am mistaken, I stand corrected. Friend, I apologize for my assumption regarding baptism. The flow of the conversation up to that point was getting a bit heated on that issue. Truly, I do consider this forum to be fellowship (koinonia), and the many different opinions expressed by yourself and all the saints do nothing to change that in my mind and heart. Indeed, you and I agree on very much more than we disagree. Blessings and peace to you in Jesus' name, charis |
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