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1 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 6716 | ||
Yes, it is true that one must recognize Jesus, accept His sacrifice and repent. This is the heart issue, otherwise baptism is nothing more than taking a bath. However we are also dealing with a faith issue here. It is easy for people to go around saying "Yes, I believe," but it is another thing entirely to put that belief into action. Someone can give me a check and I can believe that I have been given some money, but unless I deposit or cash the check it does me no good. God is asking believers to give Him more than mere lip service. He is asking for us to show Him that we love Him by obeying His command to baptize and to be baptized. It is an act of commitment and when we are baptized we let the world and the devil see by our actions that we have chosen to be publicly identified with the death, burial, and resurection of Jesus Christ. As I said in a previous message, there are most certainly exceptions to the rule and Jesus is merciful, but that doesn't mean we should throw out the rule and live by the exceptions. That crosses the line into disobedience and rebellion. God instituted the sacrament, Jesus commanded it in His own words. Should mere man thumb his nose at almighty God, Who holds our salvation in His hand, by telling Him that we don't accept His way of doing things and He will have to accept us on our terms? God will be the judge in the end. |
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2 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | Ray | 6891 | ||
Hi GStrecker, You don't recognize the Holy Spirit as a Person. In Acts 2:38 then, what is it that the people received. Did they receive the gift of the holy spirit? Or did they receive the promise from the Holy Spirit? | ||||||
3 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 7032 | ||
Dear Ray, Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person. God is a Spirit, and God is Holy. God's name is Jesus. The bible teaches that the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Christ. 1 Pet 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 1 Pet 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Pet 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. If you note, Peter and Paul use the terms "Holy Ghost", Spirit of Christ, Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead, etc. interchangibly. If you receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost, God has turned your body into His temple and God dwells in you, the Spirit of Christ Jesus. We chose to concentrate on and understand that we are speaking about One Supreme Being who has manifested Himself to mankind in several different ways, but was always the same God. The terms Father and Son are merely titles used to describe relationship. To my daughters, I am Father, but to my Mom and Dad, I was son. To my siblings, I am brother. How many persons am I? Just one! My name is Glen. The one you refer to as Father, Son and Holy Ghost is just One too, and His name is Jesus! |
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4 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 7036 | ||
GStrecker: Are you trying to resuscitate a now dead issue at this Forum, the issue of Modalism or Oneness? After a long, heated debate over this issue, we have learned: Evangelical Christians agree with the doctrine of Trinity -- one God, three Persons; not, as the Oneness would have it, one God, one Person. We also learned Oneness (Modalism) is heresy. "Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person. God is a Spirit, and God is Holy." Correction: To be accurate the first sentence should read: "*Some* Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person." Actually, while some do believe this, some do not. However, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the USA DOES believe the Holy Spirit is a person, one of three persons who make up the Godhead. "God's name is Jesus." Correction: While Jesus is God, it is not quite accurate to say that God's name is Jesus. (Even IF it were true, God's name still would not be Jesus. Jesus who? Persons named Jesus have existed for many years and in many nations. Were they the Messiah, the Creator, the Redeemer, etc.? I don't think so. That's why He is identified in Scripture as Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, or Christ. After the book of Acts, seldom is He referred to as merely Jesus.) "Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; And He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" Exod 3:13-14 "The bible teaches that the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Christ." Correction: What does that mean? That there are three Spirits -- the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ? |
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5 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | Ray | 7038 | ||
Hi JVH, I appreciate you entering in here for the fact that I don't know anything of what Pentecostals believe. I missed the Oneness tree pretty much so I'm not tired of talking about it, sorry. If you can tell me though why Modalism was determined to be heresy, I should find that out. Also, please rewrite your last sentence without the question mark so I know what you mean exactly. Later, Ray |
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6 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 7045 | ||
Why Modalism determined to be heresy. "The problem is that a group’s denial of an essential biblical teaching excludes that group from Christianity." Ray: I am always at your service. Since you "missed the Oneness tree pretty much" (a condition which I envy), I will tell you why Modalism "was determined to be" heresy. Thank you as always for your interest. --JVH0212 (Note: the numbers 1, 2, 3, etc. within the text are footnote numbers.) Oneness Pentecostalism: Heresy, not Hairsplitting -------------------- “It would be inappropriate to argue that Jehovah’s Witnesses or various other groups are non-Christian because they deny the doctrine of the Trinity, but that the United Pentecostal Church can reject the Trinity and still be considered Christian.” -------------------- The June 1997 issue of Charisma features an article by executive editor J. Lee Grady entitled, “The Other Pentecostals,”1 reporting on the estimated 17 million Oneness Pentecostals worldwide with 2.1 million in the United States.2 Grady calls Pentecostalism a “house divided.”3 While Trinitarian and Oneness Pentecostals alike trace their roots back to the Azusa Street Revival of l906,4 Oneness Pentecostals have been “separated from their brethren by a nasty doctrinal feud that split families and churches.”5 Today younger leaders in the Oneness movement hope to end the feud and lead their movement into the mainstream church.6 It is disturbing enough to read that 17 million Oneness believers are following a theology that rejects the biblical doctrine of the trinity.7 Even more troubling is the article’s suggestion that among many evangelicals this Oneness error is not terribly significant!” Papering over Differences After discussing the Oneness rejection of Trinitarian language, Grady uses the phrase, “To split doctrinal hairs even further,...” to introduce Oneness’ insistence on baptism in Jesus’ name only.9 While Oneness Pentecostals may be “too sectarian to mix with other evangelicals,” he writes, “they are too orthodox to be compared with Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses.” Grady concludes, “No one really knows what to do with them.”10 He proceeds to juxtapose striking comments by two leaders, one from each camp. Trinitarian scholar and ex-Oneness follower Gregory Boyd is quoted as saying, “If you deny the eternality of the three personal ways God is God, you undermine the very essence of Christianity.”11 Oneness leader T. F. Tenney states, “We do not deny the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit.... We believe Jesus Christ is wholly, fully, absolutely, and completely God. But no one is going to put us in the position of saying that there are three Gods.”12 Grady then offers an observation on our times, seemingly without recognizing its devastating ramifications: “The argument over whether God is three-in-one or one-in-three is a moot point for the average layman, who tends to view the doctrine of the trinity as an unexplainable mystery.”13 Grady implies that the Church should be more concerned with other issues. Concerning the baptismal view of the most rigid Oneness Pentecostals, he states, “It is on this issue, theologians say, that Oneness Pentecostals have drifted dangerously toward spiritual elitism and heresy.”14 Indeed, the Oneness view of baptism is lethally flawed. Oneness View Seriously Flawed Even to remotely imply, however, that corrections to the Oneness understanding of baptism would rescue Oneness theology is wholly misleading. Grady expresses cavalier confidence that a prominent leader within the largest Oneness denomination, the United Pentecostal Church (UPC), has a right relationship with the Holy Spirit. Referring to Anthony Mangun, a friend of President Clinton, Grady writes: “A good friend who has the Holy Ghost. That might be the best friend any president could have.”15 The problem is that a group’s denial of an essential biblical teaching excludes that group from Christianity. While there may be some Christians in Oneness churches, the movement as a whole is non-Christian. As CRI president Hank Hanegraaff has said, “It would be inappropriate to argue that Jehovah’s Witnesses or various other groups are non-Christian because they deny the doctrine of the Trinity, but that the United Pentecostal Church can reject the Trinity and still be considered Christian.”16 -------------------------------- The Oneness denial of the true nature of God is heretical. Additional false teachings only compound their error. If you want to know more about the dangerous heresy know as Oneness Pentecostalism, CRI has several valuable resources available. CRI, P.O. Box 7000, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 Material found at: www.equip.org/search/ |
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7 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | Buf | 7274 | ||
check out Acts 24:14 before you start calling oneness pentecostals heresey.Paul believed that you should be baptized in Jesus name check out Acts 19:5 in Acts 9:5 paul on the road to Damascus being struck down and hearing a voice calling to him said who art thou Lord the voice came back Jesus. paul only knowledge of God was old testament teaching. so until paul learned first hand who God really was he would have called any christian a heretic. so be careful what you say. |
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8 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 7277 | ||
Too late! In more than one posting I have already called Oneness Pentecostal doctrine heresy and have given sound biblical support for doing so. Your example(s) regarding baptism in Jesus' name only have nothing in the world to do with the heretical Oneness dotrince which denies the Trinity (One God, Three Persons) and teaches there is One God, One Person. The forumla to be said over a person while baptizing him is a secondary (not trivial, but secondary) issue, one which does not constitute heresy one way the other. If one wishes to use the word heresy or heretic in a discussion it would be to his advantage to first look it up and learn what it means. Be careful what you say is good advice for ALL of "US." |
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