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1 | Matt 28:19 Words of Christ or not | Acts 2:38 | RCSCROLL | 6671 | ||
Then would you say that all one has to do is be baptized in christs name then they will be saved. What about the thief on the cross he was'nt baptized. acts 2:38 only refers, that this is the name Jesus, he is now identified as messiah to all the jews which were present.Let me ask you when you are baptized in Jesus name only are you accepting the father and the holyspirit as well, or do you think that Jesus is the father and the holy spirit as well. love in Christ RCSCROLL. Matt 28:19 this scripture is after the cross do we listen to Jesus or not. |
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2 | Matt 28:19 Words of Christ or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 6681 | ||
An answer I saw on this subject came from a Q and A post on the 700 Club's web site. The question was, "Is baptism in Jesus name valid?" Their minister answered, "Yes, because Paul states that in Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Col 2:9)" The argument comes down to the age old question of who exactly is Jesus Christ. Jesus declared that He was the Great I AM when He told the Pharasees "Before Abraham was, I am." My answer is that Jesus Christ is YHWH aka Yahweh or Jehovah God of the Old Testament manifested in human flesh. The name Jesus is Yehoshua in Hebrew, shortened to Y'shua by the Jews in order to avoid misuse of the divine name of God represented in the first sylible of His name. It is literally one of the many compound "Names of God" found in the Scripture such as Jehovah Girah (The Lord that Provides) or Jehovah Nissi (The Lord our banner). Translated it means "Jehovah has become our salvation" or "Jehovah the Saviour". Jesus literally came in His Father's name. In Isaiah God said through the prophet, "Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God." When Isaiah prophesied the birth of Jesus, he identified who the son really would be. In one scripture he stated that his name would be called Emmanuel, translated God with us. In another verse he went further: Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Can you see that Isaiah is saying that Jesus IS the mighty God and the Everlasting FATHER? Remember there is only one God. Jesus is not a separate God but an intergral part of the whole. In Matthew 28:19 we have 3 prepositional phrases modifying the singular noun "name". The command says to baptize in the NAME (a singular name)of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. The Father's name is not "Father", and we know that the Son's name is Jesus. God is a Spirit that is Holy, hense Holy Spirit, not a separate entity or person. The Hebrew name Yehoshua incorporates the name Yahweh and is literally one of the compound names of God given in scripture. This is why the NAME Jesus qualifies as the singular name to be used in baptism. This is why the Apostles used only the saving name of Jesus when they baptized. They were not being a bunch of rebellious fishermen who were ignoring Jesus the moment He returned to heaven. Jesus spent 40 days with them after His resurection expanding their understanding of scripture. They knew and understood without a doubt who Jesus is. Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God." They declared that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Lord (Adoni) was a substitute word used by the Jews whenever they read the YHWH tetramagration that represented the personal name of God. Jesus is the name above every other name and at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD. As to the thief on the cross, Jesus said that while he was on the earth He had the power to forgive sins. The thief on the cross confessed and repented and went directly to Jesus and called upon Him for forgiveness. Jesus granted it. The New Testament was not yet given because Jesus had not yet died. There were many Old Testament saints who died before God sent John the Baptist and they were certainly not all lost. Did you know that the Jews practiced a form of ritual baptism in their temple worship? Since the thief on the cross was a Jew, he must have at some point in his life participated in the Jewish ceremonial bath of cleansing. It could also be argued that the thief is an exception to the rule allowed by Jesus in His mercy. As with most exception to rules, they are allowed only in extreme circumstances, but under normal circumstances you should not make the exception the rule. Here is an extreme example. I used to be a firefighter. If I was responding to a fire alarm I was allowed to break certain traffic laws. I could exceed the normal speed limits under certain circumstances, I could drive on the wrong side of the road or down the middle of the road to bypass other traffic, I could even drive the wrong way up a one way street in order to position my fire engine to fight the fire. Under normal circumstances if I tried to do any of those things without my big red truck, with lights and sirens going, the cops would take me to jail. A refusal to obey God when you have been given chance after chance to believe and obey is going to be taken into account when He asks why someone did not get baptized. |
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3 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | RCSCROLL | 6697 | ||
As you so well stated that the jews were ceremonially baptizing their youth allready,the fact remains that whose name will they be baptised now, the answer is Jesus he is the messiah. baptism dose'nt save anyone ,Christ does.Acts 2:38 is pointing to this fact.The fact that denominal sects think that they must do something in order to play a part in salvation is as old as the world itself. Yes Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.However the father calls him God also. Hebrews 1:8 you see you miss the trinity by making Jesus the father son and holyspirit.Yes there is only one God,but he shall allways be identified in three distinct persons.He is the son of the father,he is the father to us and his holy spirit is our indwelling spirit.Paul said that he did'nt come to baptise but to preach the gospel ,for that is the power of God.Whos voice would you say was there at the baptisim of Christ, the fathers or the sons.Luke 23:42 the thief merly reconized Jesus as the son of God thats why he went into the kingdom with Christ.This is a heart issue,otherwise we could just throw water on people in Jesus name and thay would be saved,we do alot of ministry in hospitals,sometimes they can't have water baptisim.As to infant jewish baptism,we can dedicate our children to messiah however this does'nt mean that they are saved ,for it is a heart discision that counts,and water is just an act of obedience. love in CHRIST JESUS RCSCROLL | ||||||
4 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 6716 | ||
Yes, it is true that one must recognize Jesus, accept His sacrifice and repent. This is the heart issue, otherwise baptism is nothing more than taking a bath. However we are also dealing with a faith issue here. It is easy for people to go around saying "Yes, I believe," but it is another thing entirely to put that belief into action. Someone can give me a check and I can believe that I have been given some money, but unless I deposit or cash the check it does me no good. God is asking believers to give Him more than mere lip service. He is asking for us to show Him that we love Him by obeying His command to baptize and to be baptized. It is an act of commitment and when we are baptized we let the world and the devil see by our actions that we have chosen to be publicly identified with the death, burial, and resurection of Jesus Christ. As I said in a previous message, there are most certainly exceptions to the rule and Jesus is merciful, but that doesn't mean we should throw out the rule and live by the exceptions. That crosses the line into disobedience and rebellion. God instituted the sacrament, Jesus commanded it in His own words. Should mere man thumb his nose at almighty God, Who holds our salvation in His hand, by telling Him that we don't accept His way of doing things and He will have to accept us on our terms? God will be the judge in the end. |
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5 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | Ray | 6891 | ||
Hi GStrecker, You don't recognize the Holy Spirit as a Person. In Acts 2:38 then, what is it that the people received. Did they receive the gift of the holy spirit? Or did they receive the promise from the Holy Spirit? | ||||||
6 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | GStrecker | 7032 | ||
Dear Ray, Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person. God is a Spirit, and God is Holy. God's name is Jesus. The bible teaches that the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Christ. 1 Pet 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 1 Pet 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Pet 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. If you note, Peter and Paul use the terms "Holy Ghost", Spirit of Christ, Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead, etc. interchangibly. If you receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost, God has turned your body into His temple and God dwells in you, the Spirit of Christ Jesus. We chose to concentrate on and understand that we are speaking about One Supreme Being who has manifested Himself to mankind in several different ways, but was always the same God. The terms Father and Son are merely titles used to describe relationship. To my daughters, I am Father, but to my Mom and Dad, I was son. To my siblings, I am brother. How many persons am I? Just one! My name is Glen. The one you refer to as Father, Son and Holy Ghost is just One too, and His name is Jesus! |
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7 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 7036 | ||
GStrecker: Are you trying to resuscitate a now dead issue at this Forum, the issue of Modalism or Oneness? After a long, heated debate over this issue, we have learned: Evangelical Christians agree with the doctrine of Trinity -- one God, three Persons; not, as the Oneness would have it, one God, one Person. We also learned Oneness (Modalism) is heresy. "Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person. God is a Spirit, and God is Holy." Correction: To be accurate the first sentence should read: "*Some* Pentecostals do believe the Holy Spirit is a Person, just not a third person." Actually, while some do believe this, some do not. However, the largest Pentecostal denomination in the USA DOES believe the Holy Spirit is a person, one of three persons who make up the Godhead. "God's name is Jesus." Correction: While Jesus is God, it is not quite accurate to say that God's name is Jesus. (Even IF it were true, God's name still would not be Jesus. Jesus who? Persons named Jesus have existed for many years and in many nations. Were they the Messiah, the Creator, the Redeemer, etc.? I don't think so. That's why He is identified in Scripture as Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, or Christ. After the book of Acts, seldom is He referred to as merely Jesus.) "Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; And He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" Exod 3:13-14 "The bible teaches that the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of Christ." Correction: What does that mean? That there are three Spirits -- the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ? |
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8 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | Ray | 7038 | ||
Hi JVH, I appreciate you entering in here for the fact that I don't know anything of what Pentecostals believe. I missed the Oneness tree pretty much so I'm not tired of talking about it, sorry. If you can tell me though why Modalism was determined to be heresy, I should find that out. Also, please rewrite your last sentence without the question mark so I know what you mean exactly. Later, Ray |
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9 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 7045 | ||
Why Modalism determined to be heresy. "The problem is that a group’s denial of an essential biblical teaching excludes that group from Christianity." Ray: I am always at your service. Since you "missed the Oneness tree pretty much" (a condition which I envy), I will tell you why Modalism "was determined to be" heresy. Thank you as always for your interest. --JVH0212 (Note: the numbers 1, 2, 3, etc. within the text are footnote numbers.) Oneness Pentecostalism: Heresy, not Hairsplitting -------------------- “It would be inappropriate to argue that Jehovah’s Witnesses or various other groups are non-Christian because they deny the doctrine of the Trinity, but that the United Pentecostal Church can reject the Trinity and still be considered Christian.” -------------------- The June 1997 issue of Charisma features an article by executive editor J. Lee Grady entitled, “The Other Pentecostals,”1 reporting on the estimated 17 million Oneness Pentecostals worldwide with 2.1 million in the United States.2 Grady calls Pentecostalism a “house divided.”3 While Trinitarian and Oneness Pentecostals alike trace their roots back to the Azusa Street Revival of l906,4 Oneness Pentecostals have been “separated from their brethren by a nasty doctrinal feud that split families and churches.”5 Today younger leaders in the Oneness movement hope to end the feud and lead their movement into the mainstream church.6 It is disturbing enough to read that 17 million Oneness believers are following a theology that rejects the biblical doctrine of the trinity.7 Even more troubling is the article’s suggestion that among many evangelicals this Oneness error is not terribly significant!” Papering over Differences After discussing the Oneness rejection of Trinitarian language, Grady uses the phrase, “To split doctrinal hairs even further,...” to introduce Oneness’ insistence on baptism in Jesus’ name only.9 While Oneness Pentecostals may be “too sectarian to mix with other evangelicals,” he writes, “they are too orthodox to be compared with Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses.” Grady concludes, “No one really knows what to do with them.”10 He proceeds to juxtapose striking comments by two leaders, one from each camp. Trinitarian scholar and ex-Oneness follower Gregory Boyd is quoted as saying, “If you deny the eternality of the three personal ways God is God, you undermine the very essence of Christianity.”11 Oneness leader T. F. Tenney states, “We do not deny the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit.... We believe Jesus Christ is wholly, fully, absolutely, and completely God. But no one is going to put us in the position of saying that there are three Gods.”12 Grady then offers an observation on our times, seemingly without recognizing its devastating ramifications: “The argument over whether God is three-in-one or one-in-three is a moot point for the average layman, who tends to view the doctrine of the trinity as an unexplainable mystery.”13 Grady implies that the Church should be more concerned with other issues. Concerning the baptismal view of the most rigid Oneness Pentecostals, he states, “It is on this issue, theologians say, that Oneness Pentecostals have drifted dangerously toward spiritual elitism and heresy.”14 Indeed, the Oneness view of baptism is lethally flawed. Oneness View Seriously Flawed Even to remotely imply, however, that corrections to the Oneness understanding of baptism would rescue Oneness theology is wholly misleading. Grady expresses cavalier confidence that a prominent leader within the largest Oneness denomination, the United Pentecostal Church (UPC), has a right relationship with the Holy Spirit. Referring to Anthony Mangun, a friend of President Clinton, Grady writes: “A good friend who has the Holy Ghost. That might be the best friend any president could have.”15 The problem is that a group’s denial of an essential biblical teaching excludes that group from Christianity. While there may be some Christians in Oneness churches, the movement as a whole is non-Christian. As CRI president Hank Hanegraaff has said, “It would be inappropriate to argue that Jehovah’s Witnesses or various other groups are non-Christian because they deny the doctrine of the Trinity, but that the United Pentecostal Church can reject the Trinity and still be considered Christian.”16 -------------------------------- The Oneness denial of the true nature of God is heretical. Additional false teachings only compound their error. If you want to know more about the dangerous heresy know as Oneness Pentecostalism, CRI has several valuable resources available. CRI, P.O. Box 7000, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 Material found at: www.equip.org/search/ |
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10 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | Buf | 7274 | ||
check out Acts 24:14 before you start calling oneness pentecostals heresey.Paul believed that you should be baptized in Jesus name check out Acts 19:5 in Acts 9:5 paul on the road to Damascus being struck down and hearing a voice calling to him said who art thou Lord the voice came back Jesus. paul only knowledge of God was old testament teaching. so until paul learned first hand who God really was he would have called any christian a heretic. so be careful what you say. |
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11 | where does he ask that,baptized or not | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 7277 | ||
Too late! In more than one posting I have already called Oneness Pentecostal doctrine heresy and have given sound biblical support for doing so. Your example(s) regarding baptism in Jesus' name only have nothing in the world to do with the heretical Oneness dotrince which denies the Trinity (One God, Three Persons) and teaches there is One God, One Person. The forumla to be said over a person while baptizing him is a secondary (not trivial, but secondary) issue, one which does not constitute heresy one way the other. If one wishes to use the word heresy or heretic in a discussion it would be to his advantage to first look it up and learn what it means. Be careful what you say is good advice for ALL of "US." |
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