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1 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Hank | 61006 | ||
Hmmm, Emmaus, I wonder: The TULIP, is it predestined to become the state flower of Florida, do you suppose? An auxiliary question: Do Floridians understand the mystery of election any better than we non-Calvinists -- and even some stalwarts of Calvinism -- do? Just curious. :-) EdB is a citizen of Florida. Perhaps he can help us out on this! --Hank | ||||||
2 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | John Reformed | 61049 | ||
Hi Hank, Since baptists have so much in common with catholics, perhaps you two fellas could put your heads together and answer a question I have? Where in the Bible can I find any verse at all that says that the natural man has any ability to understand or recieve spiritual things? And Hank, I would'nt recommend making light of a doctrine that is found throughout God's Holy Word. Just a friendly admonishment. John |
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3 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Hank | 61052 | ||
Making light of a doctrine that is found throughout the Bible, John? Upon my word, what doctrine is that? TULIP? And surely Emmaus will not be any more pleased than I am to hear that he and I have a great deal in common. And thanks for your friendly admonishment. When I need another one, you'll be the first to know :-) --Hank | ||||||
4 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | John Reformed | 61058 | ||
Hank, I have provided Scripture for Unconditional Election. I have yet to see any at all that proves that we elect ourselves. Or if you prefer: that God elects people conditional to their positive response to the gospel. All I get from your side is....God would'nt do that....it's unfair!!! Prove it Scripturally and I will believe it. My tradition comes a distant second to my Bible. John |
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5 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Pastor Glenn | 61060 | ||
"...that God elects people conditional to their positive response to the gospel." God leaves us the choice: Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Every man has enough "light" to make the right choice: Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. We just need to believe in Christ: Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Joh 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die. God has dealt every man the measure of faith needed for a fair choice: Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. I believe that "election" is based on the fact that God knows who will make the right choice, since he sees the future. I think there is more scripture on this. God bless, Pastor Glenn |
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6 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | John Reformed | 61090 | ||
Dear Pastor Glenn Thank you for your response. 1) Deut 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,". Lets explore the context. Deut 30:17,18 "But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely perish." We see here that the choice one will make is NOT unconditional, but CONDITIONAL for whether one chooses life or death depends upon the condition of the heart of the individual. "But if your heart turns away and you will not obey,". Notice that the drawing away of the heart preceeds the act of the will! The desire arises from the heart and the will acts merely as a servant that carrys out the hearts desire. The heart that is "drawn" away to idolotry? What does God say about the condition of the human heart? What is it's condition that it may be drawn away? Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Matt 15:19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.." "The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?" If the heart of man is so desperately inclined to evil, how can he obey God and live? Deut 30:6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. We learn from v. 6 that it is an act of God that makes it possible for those He has chosen, to be able to love Him love. He says it is through His work upon their hearts (circumcison of the heart). The command to "choose between life and death" does not indicate that man is free to choose do good! God in v.10 says " if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul. But no one is able to keep that command. God knows fullwell that what He has commanded is impossible for man to do. Then why has He said that they must "choose"? The law was given to bring all men to seek God by faith and to abandon their foolish attempt to attain a righteousness by works. What has always perplexed me about the idea our contributing to our salvation is the description we have from the Bible about the condition of fallen man. You have provided verses that only imply the presense of human ability. In other words circumstantial evidence. On the other hand the verses I have offered are hard evidence that finds the heart guilty and totally corrupt of any thing pleasing tp God. In fact, without faith it is impossible to please God. You cited next: Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. And your conclusion was: " Every man has enough "light" to make the right choice". My arguement is NOT, and has never been, against man's freedom to choose. My arguement is against his ability to choose good in a way pleasing unto God! Natural man is FREE to choose Christ (life) but DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY because he hates Christ! John 3:20 "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed". John says everyone who does evil HATES THE LIGHT. Which means every mother's son of us hated Him as well. For we all do evil. “Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil” (Jer. 13:23). John |
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7 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Hank | 61100 | ||
John, how can man be free to choose Christ but not have the ability to do so? It would seem to me that in the absence of ability to do or not to do any given thing, freedom to do it really doesn't exist and is a moot issue. Your rationale and reasoning processes fail to convince. --Hank | ||||||
8 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Lionstrong | 61101 | ||
Hi Hank! If I may take a stab at your question: I’m free to take a privately charted luxury liner around the world, but my small financial reserves makes me unable to do so. Fallen man’s moral capital is less than small; it is non-existent! He is morally bankrupt! While free, he has no moral capital to invest a faith commitment in Christ. This is a financial analogy of the effects of sin in man. Of course, we usually use Paul’s biological analogy. He says that we were morally dead in sin (Eph 2), incapable of doing anything to please God (Rom 8), including believing in His Son. Peace in the Lamb, |
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9 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | EdB | 61107 | ||
Lionstrong Your luxury cruise analogy is more an example of freedom you are free to take the trip. However if you never have the funds available you never had a choice whether to take the trip of not. The lack of funds negated any such choice. Your right man can’t make the choice by himself, that is why God gives every man the spiritual awareness of sin, of the a need for salvation and a chance to reject that salvation. Man then makes the choice, accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Master or reject the fact He has any claim to your life, ignoring the fact He bought you with a price, the blood of our salvation. EdB |
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10 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Lionstrong | 61180 | ||
Hi Ed! Your view of the effects of sin on the will of man does not do justice to the biblical data. It’s not that man needs some assistance in choosing Christ, such that the grace he needs from God is to be made aware of his sin, his need for salvation, and a chance to reject it. The biblical picture is that sin has made man, morally speaking, dead--dry bone dead! (Eph 2, Ezek 37) He cannot make ANY moral choices that are pleasing to God (Rom 8). This means that he cannot make the moral choice of faith in Christ. The grace needed by fallen man dead in sin in order to choose Christ is to be made alive! (Eph 2) The grace needed to come to Christ is not to be made aware, but to be drawn to Him (Jn 6), otherwise fallen man WILL not come. The grace needed to enter the Kingdom is not a chance to reject it, but to be born again, something which only the Spirit of God can accomplish (Jn 3). Peace, |
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11 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | EdB | 61185 | ||
Lionstrong I beg to differ with you, Abraham made many choices pleasing to God. Job was pleasing to God in fact God was even using him as an example. Where do you guys get this stuff? I know your proof text tells you so. Read the whole Bible and see if you walk away with the that concept. Explain this, in the Old Testament when the sin sacrifice was made, it was made for everyone, why do you insist that the Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t made for all men. Jesus was the Passover Lamb who died that the world would not have to die. Rather than believe “John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. “ you would rather believe, God gave his only begotten Son that only the chosen elect that were enabled to believe and therefore must accept Him would not perish but have everlasting life. This whole concept flies in the face of everything we see in the Bible. Man’s acceptance or rejection of God’s love. The Bible is filled with men that knew God sinned and in some cases repented and in other died in their sin. Or are you saying God just let us think we are free moral agents but we really aren’t, we are really robots? Some of us were created to experience salvation and others created to experience damnation the choice was made and we have nothing to do with it. Put all the fancy words around it you want if you can’t chose life unless God enables you and once God does enable you have to chose life, is no choice. EdB |
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