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1 | Saving graces? | 1 Cor 2:14 | John Reformed | 61017 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life." Faith may be referred to as a "saving grace" when it is directly related to salvaton as in in eph 2:8. It is also a gift , therefore it may be referred to as a "grace". The same is true for repentance because it is granted unto men according to God's good pleasure. Your Disorganized Brother, John |
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2 | Saving graces? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Mommapbs | 61032 | ||
Greetings John and thanks for the answer. I am trying to understand what I now recognize as the Calvinism vs. Armeninism debate that seems to be on going here among the sisters and brothers. I grew up in a church that did not focus on "doctrine" but rather preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ. According to John's Gospel, God must be worshipped in spirit and in Truth (John 4:24)and I believe that only God can enable our worship of Him. Without His indwelling Spirit (Jesus is THE Truth in this)we are powerless to come before Him. However, since the Garden, I also believe that mankind has been given an opportunity to accept or reject God. And in this age, we have the blessed priviledge of accepting this free offer of salvation by fatih in Jesus Christ. To me, the sovereignty of God is linked to His omniscience and therefore God must know who will choose Him. "Many are called but few are chosen." represents (to me) that Christ died for all, and whosoever will may come. But God, in His foreknowledge, KNEW who would recieve Him, therefore He could indeed choose us before the foundation of the world. I am not Whitfied or Wesley, but this is how I reconcile the "doctrine" of election. God chose me because He knew I would choose Him. Since we have the "natural man" present in our mortal bodies, indeed there will be many spiritual realities that we cannot possible discern. Yet in Romans 1, God makes it clear (to me at least) that He has given natural man a "God awareness". The response to this God given awareness is what seals our eternal destiny. Perhaps we are at an impasse, on this, but you are still my brother in the Lord and I will respect your God given rights as a member of THE family! The man believed the word that Jesus spoke to him and started off. John 4:50 We are on a journey . . .I'm glad we will meet each other at the same destination. Blessings, Mommapbs |
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3 | Saving graces? | 1 Cor 2:14 | EdB | 61035 | ||
Mommapbs I like your style! I like what you said about your church focusing on the Bible and not doctrine. I believe that is how it should be. Although doctrine does have it’s place. I also like your understanding of election, of the sovereignty of God and man's God given ability to reject Christ or not. I have studied the reformation, and reformation leaders for a number of years. I think Calvin and others in a effort to show the Catholic church wrong in everything allowed the word “Elect” to become verb instead of the intended adjective. I mean I believe God used the word Elect to give a special status to those that choose Christ, not in reference to a process where He chose those that would believe. Calvin and many of the reformers were so sure the Catholic church were wrong in most everything they examined all doctrine using the prejudiced assumption that it had to be wrong.. They focused on a few passages where the interpretation could allow for an alternate reading and completely ignored all the passages that said Christ died for all. They then accuse us of not accepting the clear word of God. God said He loved the world so He sent his Son. Either world means everybody or the physical earth it can not just mean the elect. Of course we all understand it to mean everyone. Yet Calvinist say we are missing it, it really means only those elected to salvation. Thanks again for you answer Mommapbs EdB |
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4 | Saving graces? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Mommapbs | 61091 | ||
Greetings EdB. I really appreciate your encouragement. So often I feel a bit overwhelmed in our dialogue here as I don't know the "lingo" that is bantied about. I'm just a little old housewife with the privilege of time on her hands . . . to be able to sit at this computer and learn more about the Lord who loves me! In the midst of all this discussion about "election," my daily Bible readings have affirmed what I perceive to be "freedom of choice" for mankind. However, I recognize the need for some in our cyber-fellowship to strain a gnat out of the broth . . . as for me, I believe that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made". And when we swallow something that is inedible we either gack it up or it just goes through and out! You and I would probably not agree on all things . . .but this not to say that our discussions are not edifying, for indeed they can be as we allow the Holy Spirit to guide us into HIS TRUTH! What He reveals to me today, may not be what He reveals to you - for God knows what each of our hearts need! And right now, He's telling me not to be concerned about the PROCESS but rather just bask in the reality of His presence in my life! I have found that sometimes, we must just be satisfied with leaving the mysteries of God in HIS Hands! Why major on the minors? You wrote: "I believe God used the word Elect to give a special status to those that choose Christ, not in reference to a process (AMEN!) where He chose those that would believe." Well said! Blessings on your day, Mommapbs |
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5 | Saving graces? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Hank | 61095 | ||
Mommapbs, having just read your gracious and sensible post to EdB, delivered with your usual charm and humility, I, if I may, would like to join in by citing a passage from it that strikes me as especially wise, to wit: "I have found that sometimes we must just be satisfied with leaving the mysteries of God in His hands." I can think of no footnote worthy of this fine line than merely to say a hearty Amen. --Hank | ||||||
6 | Saving graces? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Mommapbs | 61269 | ||
For this reason I also suffer these things, but I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day. 2Tim 1:12 Greetings Hank - thanks for the encouragement. Blessings. Mommapbs |
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