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NASB | Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT!" Having said this, He breathed His last. [Ps 31:5] |
Subject: Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? |
Bible Note: Greetings Pastor Glenn! I hope that I am not part of a 'lynch mob'! :-) The Scripture to which I refered earlier all dealt with various problems. Some, like 2 John, dealt with the deity of Christ, other dealts with other false teachings, and still other dealt with ethical problems. Each needed to be addressed. However, you state that Mark 9:38-41 is how we should 'determine whether or not a ministry is false'. Where exactly does the passage say that? What exactly is the criteria? Is it the simple fact that they claim to do miracles? Is it the fact that they claim to be Christian? I really don't believe that this issue is dealt with at all in Mark 9. My friend, I have no problem at all with believing that God heals when He wills to do so. I have seen it happen. I have no problem believing that faith in God can bring us through any circumstances. However, I do have a problem with the way some define faith, as though it were some power which can be used to change reality or force God to do what we want. Allow me to share a personal story with you about this kind of faith teaching. My wife and I had a son who was born with congenital heart defects. We attended a church at the time that bought into this sort of teaching, at least many in the church did. Our son lived to be 9 months old before he went home to be with the Lord. We prayed and asked for healing, but first and foremost, we prayed that God's will would be done, not ours. Our son died. Later, my wife was told that our son died because we did not have enough faith. Faith is not a power. Faith is simply a trust in God, a trust which sees us through even the bad times. A faith which stands firm even when, like Job, one's life falls apart. This church which we attended wanted to turn God into a magic Genie who would grant their every wish. This simply isn't Biblical. God doesn't promise us that we will always be healthy, wealthy, and wise. He does promise us that He will never leave us nor forsake us. He doesn't promise us that we will not walk through the valley of the shadow of death, but He does promise us that He will be with us and comfort us. Real faith is that of those like Joni Erickson, who are able to rise above their circumstances and serve God joyfully. Real faith is that of those like Jim Elliot, who layed down his life for Christ. However, it is difficult to discuss such a broad issue like this with any detail. So, why don't you present the core teaching of the Word of Faith as you understand it, with Biblical support. Then, we can discuss that in more detail. I promise I'll leave the rope at home! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |