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1 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | gracefull | 65261 | ||
I keep hearing about this book. I read several chapters last night accusing the teaching and doctrine, mainly of Kenneth Copeland, but not the first scripture to refute the scripture laden teaching. Does't anyone find this at all alarming? As I read the chapters numerous scripture came to my mind and I had my Bible and my concordance (Strong's) and not once did Hank give me a scripture to refute the one's I had confirming the teaching. Why are people so willing to accept hearsay and accusations without researching the teachings? Do we christians pass judgement on our brothers and sisters so easily because we feel our 'theology' is threatened? I reiterate, The Pharasees did the same thing to Jesus! Where is the Berean spirit. All I have received here is warnings and incinuations about how dangerous a doctrine it is. My brothers and sisters...what teaching is so dangerous and where is your SCRIPTURAL PROOF! I love God's word and believe they are the words of life for me to live by. Yours in Christ P.S. The accusation that E.W. Kenyon Mastered in the study of metaphysics, What Hank SAID cannot be proved. Hank expects his readers to accept this accusation based on the fact that Emerson University taught metaphysics. The only guilt E.W. has here is by association. E.W.'s own words teachings refute this but you would rather believ what is said about him as opposed to what he said. It is said he majored in theatre and there is no record that he even took a metaphysics class at Emerson at all. Does anyone here know where to find his 'RECORDS'? |
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2 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Reformer Joe | 65753 | ||
After careful examination of the arguments on the Forum pro and con regarding the "Did Jesus suffer in hell?" question, I think that some things have been overlooked which point to the atonement being completed on the cross: 1. Jesus' final word on the cross was "Teleo"meaning "finished" or "paid-in-full." 2. There is no direct Scripture reference supporting at all that Jesus atoned for man's sins in hell. Even if he paid a visit there, there is nothing to suggest in Scripture that he went there as an object of God's wrath. 3. The most significant thing that has been missed in these discussions is the association all throughout the New Testament between Christ's body and our reconciliation with God. In other words, it is stated time and again that it is the power of Christ's BLOOD that cleanses us from unrighteousness. We even see that in the Eucharistic liturgy. We see Jesus making a sacramental connection between the bread and the cup, and His own body and blood. There is no such connection made between any alleged suffering in hell and the atonement made by Christ. All of the descriptions of reconciliation and regeneration are tied to his suffering in the flesh: "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure." --1 Peter 1:1-2 "but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." --1 John 1:7 "knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ." --1 Peter 1:18-19 4. Lastly, the Old Testament sacrifices that prefigured Jesus' atonement could not have been related to spiritual atonement in hell, since the animals do not have spirits like humans do. The atonement was centered around the physical death of the animal. Therefore, I find the evidence points to a completed atonement on the Cross. Yes, Jesus the man truly and really died, and on the cross he was forsaken by God and endured God's wrath, but there seems to be no biblical support for Jesus suffering for our sins in hell. --Joe! |
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