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1 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Morant61 | 65380 | ||
Greetings Graceful! I noticed that you did not believe that praying 'if it be thy will' is Biblical. However, Jesus did in fact pray this very prayer. Check out Luke 22:42: "??Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.?" Here, the Greek text is exactly equivalent to "if it be they will". It literally says, "...if you are willing, take this cup from me." This is a conditional prayer. It can't be translated 'since you are willing...' because God did not in fact take this cup from Jesus. Therefore, Jesus prayed for something that God did not in fact do. God's will was different that Jesus' prayer. The request Jesus made was real, but He qualified it with '...not my will, but your will be done'. James 4:15 uses this same phrase: "Instead, you ought to say, ??If it is the Lord?s will, we will live and do this or that.?" While it is true that this passage does not specifically address prayer, it does address the attitude that Christian's ought to have about their daily lives, and James encourages Christians to say - 'if the Lord is willing'. Further, 1 John 5:14 says, "This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us." This a great promise of answered prayer, if we ask according to His will. God's will is not always as clear as we might think. Even the apostles were not always sure. For example, Paul said in 1 Cor. 4:19: "But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have." The advantage of praying 'if it be Thy will' is simply this: It demonstrates that I am committed to the Lordship of Christ. I have sold out completly to Him and am willing to be used in any way that He sees fit, not that I see fit. If God chooses to bless me with wealth and health, so be it. If God chooses to allow me to endure poverty and sickness, so be it. Either way, I will be His servant. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | gracefull | 65390 | ||
Hi Tim: The availability of knowledge of God's will is what is in question, not the fact that as humans at different levels of growth and relationship will sometimes not hear. But if we are taught to believe the knowledge of His will is not available we will not even try to find out. This I believe is both tragic and sad. Our Father's provision is so great and the price was so high. In James 4:16 James says 'Now you rejoice in your boasting: all such rejoicing is evil. Therefor to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin. I believe James is speaking to folks who are not asking God for his will based on verse 17. John 5:14 This is probably one of my favorite verses and one that keeps me aware of the need to stay in communication with God through the Holy Spirit. Here again we are agreeing with God and believing, not asking God to agree with ur OR asking praying a shotgun prayer hoping something will hit. We must not forget we have an enemy and if our faith is not focused on the Word of promise we are vulnerable to the attack of doubt which robs us of our faith. The Word produces faith, Understanding God's will gives us boldness to stand in the time of trouble or temptation. This issue is so important because if believers only understood how urgent it is to seek God's revelation of His truth we would not wait until we are attacked to try to find out! Just like He told Paul he would go to Rome and suffer. Paul knew what was ahead and chose (bound by love) to go. 1 Cor. 4:19 Paul did not have long range knowledge of God's plan and will but when he did move he knew it was God's will. We may not always know in advance. Our walk is a daily faith walk.. Sufficient to the day are the troubles thereof. It is a growth walk. God is drawing us, training us, and just as we see the progression of faith from Adam to Abraham to David To Jesus, so is our walk. God does not send us to Goliath before we face the lion and bear at home... Blessings! |
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3 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Morant61 | 65394 | ||
Greetings Graceful! Most of what you said in your last post, I agree with 100 percent. However, I can't let you off of the hook quite that easily! :-) You said earlier about the phrase 'if it be Thy will': " The Lords prayer was, Our Father, who art in heaven hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done... Where is the statement "If it be thy will?" In the garden did our Lord asking what the will of God was? Was there ever a time that He did not know God's will? Or was he asking "Is there another way?" I do not see here where there is uncertainty about what God's will in either of these scriptures. " If it is unnecessary for mortal man to pray thy will be done... This should now be clear, Our right ot choose God's will and plan for our lives. God made provision, but we have to choose to accept (agree with His Word) to receive it. This IS why we would pray Thy will be done...Not "If it be thy will"." Yet, as I demonstrated in Luke 22:42, Jesus Himself prayed this exact prayer. So, are you correct when you say: "...it is unnecessary for mortal man to pray thy will be done..."? Or, is it in fact Biblical that Jesus Himself prayed, "If it be Thy will..."? One of the biggest problems with the Word of Faith teachings is simply this: They often create specific promises where no specific promise is made to Christians. For instance, I shared in an earlier post about our experience with the death of our son and how many in the Word of Faith movement tried to tell us that we simply didn't have enough faith. After all, isn't healing a promise to be claimed? Yet, Scripture never promises Christians that we will always be healthy. It never promises Christians that we will always be wealthy. Faith is not simply claiming promises, it is trusting God no matter what the circumstances. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | gracefull | 65625 | ||
Hi Tim, I know there is another thread on this now but for the sake of not losing this communication and not addressing your statements, I want to post here.. In Gethsemane Jesus knew the will of the Father. He knew exactly where He was headed, and every bit of His humanity screamed noooooo. His prayer was to be released from this call if at all possible, not I do not know your will. Yes He was asking if there was another way, but He KNEW the way. I believe this is very different from sending a shotgun prayer with nothing specific to aim at. Please understand I know there are many times we really are not sure what God wants especially in our baby walk and we have very little Word indwelling in us and our prayer life is weak we pray this kind of prayer a lot. I also know for myself when I was a baby and praying this way my faith was in His mercy to watch out for me in my ignorance, and there was no faith in His specific provision. Now that I have grown up some, my prayer life has changed. When I pray and am uncertain I ask Him to show me His will in His Word so I can focus faith on His promise. There really is a huge difference. Many believers never grow up in the Word past thes scatter prayers because of the effort of developing this deeper relationship with the Lord. They are taught we can't know the 'mysteries' of God.. But the Word says the Holy spirit came to lead us into ALL truth. Word of Faith people believing for things not specifically promised. There are promises regarding our financial provision, our health, our spiritual growth... I think financial believing seems to be the rub with most WOF opposers. How can I believe for a new car when there is no scripture for it? As I mature in my relationship and God's will for my life are developing in me, the Holy Spirit reveals how God wants me to pray, and what to pray for. Others around me will not understand the faith that speaks and calls things that be not as though they are, and I believe if you couple this with the fact that they do not accept this truth of the revealed will of God, they are often jealous of the faith and resent it.'My Father never gave me a fatted calf!' I hope this helps you see what I see... May God bless you Tim with the wisdon and understanding of His will... |
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5 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Ken John | 65641 | ||
Thank you for your comments on prayer. As one grows in Christ our prayer life becomes so much more important and we need to take time to pray. Some days I find I am "dry" and struggle to pray. However on other days I have so much and can pray for much longer. Do you have this experience ? I am interested in the pray life of other believers ? Yours in Crist, Ken |
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6 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | gracefull | 66055 | ||
Hi Ken, Sorry for taking so long to respond. Yes..there have been 'dry'. These to me are times when the emotions do not register the Holy Spirit's presence, but as I have grown in faith in my relationship those times are rare now. I am aware of the Holy Spirit's presence constantly now. My prayer life has changed a lot also in that I go to the Father less and less asking for provision (family, finance, health etc.) but spend a lot more time praising Him for the provision Jesus provided already. God bless. |
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7 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Ken John | 66067 | ||
Thanks for your response. I agree that one's prayer life matures as one grows in Christ. When praying in private I feel closer to God than when praying during our Church Prayer Meetings. Is it the presence of others that I am conscious of or is it that one is feeling forced to pray ? Or maybe there is another reason. Jesus did tell us that when two or more are together in prayer there He is also. Do you feel His Presence then ? | ||||||
8 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | gracefull | 66177 | ||
Good morning! Let's look at it this way...Are you married? Consider that we are married to the Holy Spirit and those intimate times we can let our hairdown, we can share those thoughts and feelings we can't share with others. We can cry, we can become vulnerable..here we are open and uninhibited by the restrictions of 'corporate'prayer. When I was a new born believer, corporate prayer seemed hard to me. I did not feel like I was part of it but merely an observer. I would try to join but my faith was not developed enough to pray boldly and confidently with others. I personally was shy and self concious that I would 'pray wrong'. And yes there were times when I knew I was not in the right spirit and chose not to pray. But you must search inward with those questions, and repent if it is rebellion. Yes, I recognize (inward witness, not feeling) His presence all the time now and pray with boldness and confidence that he hears me. I feel His presence often. We are a vessel for Him to work and speak through and the less there is of me, the more there is of Him. I heard a sermon by Mark Chirona that really impressed my thinking and may help you understand. In the Song of Solomon the Shulamite begins by expressing My beloved is mine and I am His. She progresses to I am my beloved and he is mine. She ends with the love Christ has for us.. I AM BY BELOVED'S. When we get there our pride and fears vanish in light of the love of God. I hope this helps! |
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