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1 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Hank | 65289 | ||
Gracefull: Your statement: "The teaching that we should always pray 'if it be Thy will' is unscriptural".... Well, what does Jesus say about this? Please observe the opening words of His pattern prayer that He taught His disciples, the "Pater Noster" or "Lord's Prayer" contained in Matthew 6:9-13. Jesus opened with these words: "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. YOUR WILL BE DONE on earth as it is in heaven..." If it is unnecessary for mortal man to pray that God's will be done, explain why our precious Lord Jesus prayed: "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not My will, but Yours be done." [Luke 22:42]. Show me in Scripture even a hint that mortal man can force the eternal, sovereign God to do anything against His will. Yet you say it is "unscriptural" to pray that God's will be done? Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. .... On another note, you state: "Oftentimes prayer is not needed, but faith in His already given provision is needed." What Scripture did THAT come from? If prayer if is so optional, why did Jesus engage it in so frequently? Why are His people told to "pray without ceasing"? [1 Thess. 5:17] Why did Jesus even bother to teach His disciples how to pray? Please respond, and back up your arguments with scriptural proof, not ungrounded opinions. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | gracefull | 65374 | ||
Hank: The Lords prayer was, Our Father, who art in heaven hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done... Where is the statement "If it be thy will?" In the garden did our Lord asking what the will of God was? Was there ever a time that He did not know God's will? Or was he asking "Is there another way?" I do not see here where there is uncertainty about what God's will in either of these scriptures. " If it is unnecessary for mortal man to pray thy will be done... This should now be clear, Our right ot choose God's will and plan for our lives. God made provision, but we have to choose to accept (agree with His Word) to receive it. This IS why we would pray Thy will be done...Not "If it be thy will". And we will face our own crises of life "gethsemene" when His will revealed is hard to take and we may ask,"God, is there another way, nevertheless..." but when we pray this prayer we will surely already know where God wants us to go. What do you think Jesus meant? "Show me a scripture, even a hint where mortal man can tell a sovereign God to do anything agains His will." This is an assumption on your part, and by no means a statement I made. The New Testament covenant IS God's will for our lives. His promises are freely given and He is not going to 'snatch them back on a whim'. Do not insert your own preconceived conclusions as if they are mine. This is wrong and you should know that. Pray without ceasing... My understanding is that Prayer is communication with God. Agreed? Jesus died for, and the Holy Spirit came to restore that severed relationship. Prayer is talking to and listening to God. Remember the Holy Spirit came to 'show us all things". God is not keeping His will a secret. It just takes lots of prayer (see above) and lots of meditation of His Word. 1 Corinthians 2:10-12 But God hath revealed them (mysteries) unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God: that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. |
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3 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Morant61 | 65380 | ||
Greetings Graceful! I noticed that you did not believe that praying 'if it be thy will' is Biblical. However, Jesus did in fact pray this very prayer. Check out Luke 22:42: "??Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.?" Here, the Greek text is exactly equivalent to "if it be they will". It literally says, "...if you are willing, take this cup from me." This is a conditional prayer. It can't be translated 'since you are willing...' because God did not in fact take this cup from Jesus. Therefore, Jesus prayed for something that God did not in fact do. God's will was different that Jesus' prayer. The request Jesus made was real, but He qualified it with '...not my will, but your will be done'. James 4:15 uses this same phrase: "Instead, you ought to say, ??If it is the Lord?s will, we will live and do this or that.?" While it is true that this passage does not specifically address prayer, it does address the attitude that Christian's ought to have about their daily lives, and James encourages Christians to say - 'if the Lord is willing'. Further, 1 John 5:14 says, "This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us." This a great promise of answered prayer, if we ask according to His will. God's will is not always as clear as we might think. Even the apostles were not always sure. For example, Paul said in 1 Cor. 4:19: "But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have." The advantage of praying 'if it be Thy will' is simply this: It demonstrates that I am committed to the Lordship of Christ. I have sold out completly to Him and am willing to be used in any way that He sees fit, not that I see fit. If God chooses to bless me with wealth and health, so be it. If God chooses to allow me to endure poverty and sickness, so be it. Either way, I will be His servant. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | BradK | 65384 | ||
Hi Tim, I appreciate your diligence to provide clarification from the original languages of seemingly difficult passages. This helps tremendously! Gods' Word is indeed inspired, and not by accident. Thanks again for your faithfulness and wise words! Yours in Christ, BradK |
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5 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Morant61 | 65387 | ||
Greetings BradK! Thanks for the kind words! ;-) It is amazing how many questions can be answered if we simply go to the Bible and see what it says! :-) What I try to do is fairly simple. Even if one does not know Greek or Hebrew, one simply needs to use a good concordance, or even better a good Bible software program, and search for the word, words, or phrase in question. In this case, I found that the phrase "if it be Thy will" or some variation of it is actually used a number of times. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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