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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64592 | ||
Dear Ftima, You are correct in saying that there is only one true church. It is composed of elect people through out the world. It is sometimes referred to as the invisible church, as opposed to the visible church. All congregations (generally speaking) include both wheat and tares. "This is the visible church". The "wheat" are those who are really part of the Body of Christ, and are the "invisible church". Therefore it is not the denomination or the (so-called) non-denomination that that determines one's eternal destiny but their position in or out of Christ that determines it. Election by God of those who shall be saved is the determining factor of salvation. John |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64643 | ||
The parable follows, Matt 13:24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 "But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26 "But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27 "The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28 "And he said to them, 'An enemy has done this!' The slaves *said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?' 29 "But he said, 'No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn." The explanation of the parable, Matt 13:36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field." 37 And He said, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. I do not agree with an "invisible church" and a "visible" church in the sense you have portrayed it. Yes, it can be invisible because it consists of spiritual things and yes, it can be visible because if a group of Christians gather together they would represent a segment of the church (Mt 18:20). I also do not agree, based on scripture above, that "all congregations (generally speaking) include both wheat and tares". In the explanation Jesus provides of the parable wheat (good seed) are "the children of the kingdom" and the tares are "the children of the wicked one". Do you mean to say that all congregations of the church have children of the wicked one in them? As to your comment "Election by God of those who shall be saved is the determining factor of salvation" I attach a post I just finished. The passages of scripture listed below span the entire period of the writing of the bible, from Moses to John. All of them teach that salvation is for all who want it because God created, creates, and will create ALL mankind, and would rather that NONE would perish. Man's freedom of choice is the only thing between him and his God. Deut 10:17 "For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. 2 Chr 19:7 "Now then let the fear of the LORD be upon you; be very careful what you do, for the LORD our God will have no part in unrighteousness or partiality or the taking of a bribe." Job 34:19 Who shows no partiality to princes Nor regards the rich above the poor, For they all are the work of His hands? Prov 18:5 To show partiality to the wicked is not good, Nor to thrust aside the righteous in judgment. Prov 24:23 These also are sayings of the wise. To show partiality in judgment is not good. Prov 28:21 To show partiality is not good, Because for a piece of bread a man will transgress. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Acts 10:34 Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, Rom 2:11 For there is no partiality with God. Gal 2:6 But from those who were of high reputation (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)--well, those who were of reputation contributed nothing to me. Eph 6:9 And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. 1 Tim 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64649 | ||
Do a word search on chose, choose, chosen and elect sometime. Now, we know that God is just and perfect in all His ways. And we also know that He makes choices in His dealings with men and with nations. I am not learned enough to say how God seems to show partiality but is impartial as well, but I do know that I love Him because He first loved me. My calling as a christian is to glorify God. To say that God desires to save but is unable to is to diminish that glory. My God always accomplishes what pleases Him. He is the master of my destiny, not me. John Reformed |
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4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64677 | ||
I will do the search you suggest. It looks like it would be a good study. You say, "He makes choices in His dealings with men and with nations." I would agree to a point. God dealt with both men and nations on a grand scale in the old testament. These days I am unsure of His involvement with nations. I am more sure of His involvement with an individuals soul. Nations are made up of people and each person possesses a soul. This is the treasure God wants. I believe His involvment with nations, per se, would be secondary. I do not question your sincerity or faith but in the passages I listed we see two things. God shows no partiality towards man and he has provided salvation for all men, not just a select few (you can define "few" however you like). You have more control over your destiny than you think. Take Adam and Eve for instance. Did they not have a choice whether or not to eat of the forbidden fruit? Of course they did. They were tempted, much like as we are, and rather than take the way of escape provided to them, which was obedience to God's word, they chose to sin. Each individual has this same choice. |
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5 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64694 | ||
The bible describes the number of the elect this way: Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; You said: "You have more control over your destiny than you think." I am much happier and feel much more secure knowing that my destiny is in the hands of my God. Him I trust. I do not trust myself. John |
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