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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64542 | ||
My day is complete! I have actually learned something. The passage in Luke does not indicate it but John 19:32,33 says, "So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. To answer your question, yes the thief died under the new covenant, but was forgiven under the old. I understand where you are coming from. Hebrews 9:11-17 supports this position. "But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. FOR A TESTAMENT IS IN FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD (emphasis mine), since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Jesus told the thief he would be with Jesus in paradise while under the old covenant. The thief was in a state of redemption at that point. Jesus died, the new covenant was in effect, the thief died. If the thief was already in a state of redemption was it necessary for him to be redeemed again? |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Greg Martin | 64559 | ||
But now you are agreed that baptism has nothing to do with being saved, but is a consequence of it? | ||||||
3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64693 | ||
No, I do not agree with that at all and the bible does not teach that. | ||||||
4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Greg Martin | 64695 | ||
Oh, that's right. They took the thief down from the cross, submersed him in water, and then hung him up to dry... *That's* how he made it.... | ||||||
5 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64710 | ||
As one who has learned very quickly, sarcasm will not get you very far on the forum. The thief was forgiven by Christ while Christ was alive. After Christ's death the New Covenant took place. It was some 40 days until the first gospel sermon was preached. This sermon included baptism as a requirement of obedience unto salvation. Acts 2;37 "Brethren, what shall we do?" Acts 2:38 "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;" You can pick and choose scripture all you want. It will not change the truth. |
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6 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Greg Martin | 64714 | ||
Hey if you want to walk around telling God that what He does for your salvation is no good until you improve upon it, that's your perogative... Rom 1:16 If the power of God is not sufficient for you, If Christ and Christ alone is not good enough for you, tell it to God. If The Perfect One has cleansed you, why would you feel the need to smear the grotesque filth of your works upon it? Baptism is a consequence of salvation - Not a cause. "This sermon included baptism as a requirement of obedience unto salvation" Why would there be obedience unless one was first saved? |
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7 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64787 | ||
Post #1 Baptism Everything I have presented has come from God's plan of salvation. I have never said or implied that it is not good enough. Sin is of a spiritual nature because God is spirit and sin is against God. The bible clearly teaches that all of us are sinners and until we come in touch with the blood (death) of Christ, we cannot take advantage of his mediation for us. We can only make contact with Christ's death through baptism, for "we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life." Rom 6:4 The only way our souls are cleansed is through baptism. The Perfect One has cleansed me, through baptism. 1 Pet 3:21 "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Acts 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' In another post which I have not yet responded to the writer asks why do we not today have the same urgency with baptism today. I believe a lot of it has to do with the belief that it is 1) not necessary, 2) not important, or 3) is a work and we are not saved by works, and 4) although it is something a person does "after salvation" you can do it whenever you have time. This my friends is blatant perversion of the truth. Below are all scriptures I could pull from the NASB feature of this website pertaining to baptism, manhy of which refer to the baptism which cleanses us from sin. I must break this up into multiple posts because of the content constraint. |
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