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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64450 | ||
Hank and all who are interested. I will be responding by pulling pertinent information from the post I debated and following it up with a rebut. 1. Jesus emphatically pointed this out in the Gospel of John when, in reference to believers, He said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand..." (John 10:28). In this passage, Christ explicitly declared that no one who has received eternal life will ever lose it. The last sentence here states something Jesus never said. John 10:28,29 say, "and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." The key phrases here are “neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand” and “and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” These two phrases introduce a 3rd person, not the individual Christian (ANYONE SNATCH THEM, NO ONE SNATCH THEM). I will agree that if I am a Christian and pattern my life after Christ that no one, if I am faithful and strong, can pull me away from my faith. This does not mean that I myself cannot become weak and fall back into worldly living. Do you see the difference? 2. The writer refers to 1 Peter 1:5. Verses 3 to 5 state, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." Just a few comments here. The first phrase in question is, "according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again". What did Jesus say to Nicodemus? "Unless one is born again (of water and spirit), he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (Jn 3:3,5) Yep, you guessed it, BAPTISM! The second phrase, "to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you." I do not dispute this. The inheritance is imperishable, undefiled, it will not fade away. It will always be there, FOR THOSE THAT OBEY THE COMMANDS OF THE LORD! Jesus said, "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you." Jesus commanded his (11) disciples to make more disciples. How? By baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and then also teaching them to observe ALL things that he commanded them. If Jesus commanded his apostles to baptize they would in turn have to teach those taught to baptize. Something that was never had in the beginning cannot be lost. Until a person is baptized salvation is not had to be lost. Hank, you asked me, "Since half the post contains direct quotations from Scripture itself, your comment leans toward the reckless and illogical, don't you think? The post contains biblical references but not the passage. Only this persons assessment of the passages. Statements like, "You see, while "once saved, always saved" is true from God's perspective, man only looks at the outward appearance and thus cannot always accurately assess who is really saved in the first place." How does this person know God's perspective? How does this person know any man's perspective but his own? Doesn't this lean toward reckless and illogical? |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | justme | 64529 | ||
FTimA: Hello again, this is justme. I would caution you that your tone is what you have accused Hank of, "reckless and illogical". This is exactly the very opposite of being kind and gentle. These words have sharp barbs, and do not show respect for the person who you are adderssing. Why are you presenting your thoughts so bluntly and with no room for dialogue? If your purpose is to stir up discord, I can bluntly say you are assuredly mislead, as to what the Forum is about. Please reconsider your words, and show that you want to dialogue not domonate and control. Peace. Just for your information Hank has been on the Forun longer than anyone. I consider him to be a genuine "elder" deserving of honor and respect. Both of which you lacked. Please consider you words more in the spirit of love and being kind. justme |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64573 | ||
Point taken. | ||||||