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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64499 | ||
What about the thief on the cross? This question is raised all the time. My question to you and all who may read this is what covenant was the thief under, the old or the new? Jesus was still alive wasn't he? As long as Jesus remained alive the old covenant was still in effect. This is why it wasn't necessary for the thief to be baptized. |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Searcher56 | 64519 | ||
Scripture ... Luke 23:42-43, John 19:32-33 ... While Jesus was alive when He made the promise, He died before the thief. So did the thief die under the new covenant? According to you, yes. |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64542 | ||
My day is complete! I have actually learned something. The passage in Luke does not indicate it but John 19:32,33 says, "So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. To answer your question, yes the thief died under the new covenant, but was forgiven under the old. I understand where you are coming from. Hebrews 9:11-17 supports this position. "But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. FOR A TESTAMENT IS IN FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD (emphasis mine), since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Jesus told the thief he would be with Jesus in paradise while under the old covenant. The thief was in a state of redemption at that point. Jesus died, the new covenant was in effect, the thief died. If the thief was already in a state of redemption was it necessary for him to be redeemed again? |
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4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Searcher56 | 64546 | ||
Why does it matter what covenant we were saved under? What about the disciples and others who were saved, because the believed He was the Messiah? Are they in the same situation as the thief? |
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