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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64451 | ||
I would be interested in reading your post previous to the one dated 4/11. James 5:19,20 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. If one strays from the truth doesn't this mean that he/she obeyed at some point? James calls them a sinner, in error, and if one turns them back to the truth they will save his/her soul. Sounds like salvation can be lost to me. 2 Peter 3:17,18 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Peter is talking to Christians here. 2 Peter 1:1 says, "...To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ". Why should Christians be on their guard? Their salvation is guaranteed, isn't it? Then why does he say they could "fall from their own steadfastness"? |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 64460 | ||
FTimA, from the numerous posts made to you on this topic, it appears that you will not be swayed in your beliefs and it grieves me that you're allowing the Deceiver this stronghold in your life. The Holy Spirit places the truth in us. Through prayer and meditation the Truth is revealed to us. Note, in order to know the Truth and be set free, we must actively seek it. Once I became saved, I didn't continue to seek salvation, I began seeking the Truth. I pose a series of questions to you. 1. Is Mother Theresa with God? Is Peter with God? How about John the Baptist? How do you know that they are or are not? 2. If Christians (here I mean true believers, not religious Christians) must continually repent, based on the fact that we are inherently sinful, then how is anyone with God? 3. Does anyone know the exact moment of earthly death? 4. If Christians must continually work for salvation, then why did Jesus bother dying that horrible death in the first place? Why bother if we still have to work for salvation? 5. Who determines if we've worked enough? Wouldn't that again lead back to a rather sparse heaven with only the Triune God and angels there? I pray that you allow your eyes to be opened to the Truth and that by the power of Jesus' blood, the Deceiver be gone from your life. I know that Jesus has me in His hand and I KNOW that Satan cannot remove me no matter how far I may stray. My assurance is based on the Word of God (as has oft been quoted in others' posts to you). See, that's where faith enters. You repent of your sins, ask for forgiveness, and accept the gift of salvation, then you believe that God doesn't lie in His word nor does He contradict Himself. In Christ, Estelle |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64495 | ||
Actually, I believe that nobody is "with God" yet, save Jesus (Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Acts 5:31, Acts 7:55, Acts 7:56, Rom 8:34, Col 3:1, Heb 10:12, Heb 12:2, 1 Pet 3:22) Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment Those that have died since Abel are in some sort of "spiritual" realm waiting for God's judgment. You use the term Christian too loosely. To me a Christian is a true believer and nothing else. To me a true believer accepts God's word for what it says and responds in the way prescribed. I don't understand what you mean by "Does anyone know the exact moment of earthly death?" Christians do not have to work for salvation but they must obey the commands of the Lord. God's word already says there will be a sparse heaven. Matthew 7:13,14 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Your assurance is based on the word of God YOU CHOOSE to base it on. Look at the entire word and make application where necessary. Give me one example where someone in the bible just "repents of sins, asks forgiveness, and receives the gift of salvation, please. Lastly, thank you for your prayers. I appreciate them. |
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4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64510 | ||
You stated: "Actually, I believe that nobody is "with God" yet, save Jesus". And the proof texts you provided were (Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Acts 5:31, Acts 7:55, Acts 7:56, Rom 8:34, Col 3:1, Heb 10:12, Heb 12:2, 1 Pet 3:22). These verses speak to the fact that Christ is in Heaven and seated on the throne at the right hand of the Father. One must read into the text that "that nobody is "with God" yet". You are bold in critisizing others for what you do continualy, that is, imposing your own doctrine upon the Word of God. 2 Cor 5:6-8 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. How do you explain your intepretation of the verses you cited? John |
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5 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64545 | ||
I have no doctrine to impose. I have tried at all times to support my position with God's word. This is the only doctrine we have. The verses I cited were to support the fact that Jesus is with God. Elijah and Enoch are two individuals who never experienced physical death, but Jesus says in John 3:13, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" so even they are not in heaven, yet. What was your purpose for citing 2 Cor. 5:6-8? |
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6 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64548 | ||
My purpose for citing 2 Cor. 5:6-8 was to show that the souls of deceased Christians go to be with Christ upon the moment of death and not to Abraham's Bosom. Our bodys will not ascend into heaven until the ressurection of the godly dead. John |
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7 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64713 | ||
Our bodies or our souls? God tells Adam that our bodies will return to dust. Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return." |
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8 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64718 | ||
You said: "Our bodies or our souls? God tells Adam that our bodies will return to dust." My answer is our bodies. I believe in a dichotomy of man's being: Body and soul. But that is a subject for a seperate discussion. We have already strayed far from the topic we are supposed to be discussing. John |
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