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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Emmaus | 64172 | ||
FTimA, I think you misunderstood my point in my old post of 1-11-02. The ending of my post was a question. I am not an adherent of "once saved, always saved," although it may be that there are those who once saved do remain always saved. If you look at my profile you will see that I am Catholic, which rules out my holding to the "once saved, always saved" doctrine, a rather recent teaching among many non Catholic Christians that goes back only 500 years. At least that is how Catholics see it. Emmaus |
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2 | What do Catholics teach about salvation? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64173 | ||
Let me ask you something that has my curiosity. What does the Catholic church teach on God's plan of salvation? | ||||||
3 | What do Catholics teach about salvation? | Matt 22:37 | New Creature | 64181 | ||
Having never been a Catholic, I don't claim to be an expert on what Catholic's teach, I will tell you what I heard the priest, I guess they call him "father" say to a young couple who were getting married by him. He told them that "since they were both baptized by the Catholic church, then they can rest assured that they will go to Heaven when this life is over" Sounds like a works based salvation that the priest was referring to if you ask me. And we know it is by grace we are saved, not by works (Eph. 2:8-9) I believe baptism is for those who have already been saved. I don't it is appropriate to baptize the unsaved. By that I mean, I don't believe that baptizing the unregenerate person has any effect toward salvation. Salvation is by grace through faith. Thats my two cents worth. God Bless |
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4 | What do Catholics teach about salvation? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64184 | ||
I appreciate your input but the reason I asked Emmaus was to get an answer from a Catholic perspective. In regard to your response though, how do you explain 1 Peter 3:21? A person is not saved until they have been baptized, not before. Look up all the passages that deal with baptism. If you do you will see that it is an integral part of salvation. Even the demons believe (James 2:19). Are they saved? | ||||||
5 | What do Catholics teach about salvation? | Matt 22:37 | New Creature | 64298 | ||
I will answer your question concerning 1 Pet. 3:21 with a short response kalos gave in response to the same question. I quote from a well written post from kalos because he words it better than I can, and also because I agree with his post concerning that topic. kalos,I hope you don't mind me quoting from you. "Water baptism does not seem to be what Peter has in view in 1 Peter 3:21. The English word "baptism" is simply a transliteration of the Greek word baptizo, which means "to immerse." Baptizo does not always refer to water baptism in the New Testament (cf. Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; 7:4; 10:38-39; Luke 3:16; 11:38; 12:50; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16; 1 Corinthians 10:2; 12:13). Peter is not talking about immersion in water, as the phrase "not the removal of dirt from the flesh" indicates. He is referring to immersion in Christ's death and resurrection through "an appeal to God for a good conscience," or repentance." |
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6 | What do Catholics teach about salvation? | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64409 | ||
But wouldn't it always refer to immersion? In 1 Peter 3:20, Peter reminds his audience of Noah by saying, "...in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water." He then says that there is an antitype which now saves us, namely baptism (immersion). What is an antitype? Dictionary.com defines it as, "One that is foreshadowed by or identified with an earlier symbol or type, such as a figure in the New Testament who has a counterpart in the Old Testament." and "a person or thing represented or foreshadowed by a type or symbol; especially a figure in the Old Testament having a counterpart in the New Testament." So what we have is Noah and his seven relatives being saved by water, as now we are saved by water. Baptism (immersion) in water for the remission of sin puts us in touch with the death of Christ. Romans 6:4, "Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life." (Note: this passage in Romans also refutes sprinkling or pouring as a means of being baptized. We must be buried, immersed!) Baptism (immersion) in water is not for the purpose of cleaning our flesh but of cleaning our conscience from the sin we have realized we are guilty of. Peter IS referring to water baptism (immersion) here. |
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