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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | BradK | 64420 | ||
Dear FTimA, In my previous post I was (unsuccessfully) attempting to give examples of how far we can go with scripture to develop a doctrine. Tim provided an excellent summary of what I was trying to say: Not all scripture teaches doctrine! Again, while Acts is scripture, I DO NOT believe the "formula" for salvation is found in it, i.e. 2:38. From your other posts I've seen that you identify yourself with the Church of Christ? If this is the case, I can understand where you're coming from. We would have differences on our views of what one must do to be saved. You believe that "baptism" is a requirement, and I would hold that it is not(Eph. 2:8-9). I trust that this adequately summarizes our dialog and differences. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64431 | ||
How can the bible contradict itself? John the "baptist" was to prepare the way for Jesus. His baptism was one of repentance. Jesus was baptized himself whether he needed it or not. What did he say to John when John refused, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Jesus spoke of being born of the water and the spirit to Nicodemus. He commanded his apostles to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the F, the S, and the HS..." Acts chapter 2, "what must we do to be saved?" Answer, "Repent and be baptized for the remission of sin". Later in the chapter, vs 41, "Then those that gladly received his word were baptized and that day about 3000 souls were added to them." It doesn't say that about 3000 souls were added to them, and THEN they were baptized, but they were baptized first, and then added to those who were saved. Again in verse 47, "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." The Ethiopian eunuch asked, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?" The conversion of Saul is another example. In his vision the Lord instructed him to go to Damascus and he would be told what he must do. What did Ananias say, "And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.' (Acts 22:16) This is clear evidence that baptism is necessary for removal of sin. Cornelius' household were commanded to be baptized by Peter.(Acts 10:48) Acts 16:14,15 tells of Lydia and how "The Lord opened her heart to HEED the things spoken by Paul. She heeded by being baptized, vs 15. Acts 16:33, the Philippian Jailor, "...immediately he and all his family were baptized." Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:27, how can anyone deny the importance of such a simple request, "repent AND BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS." The formula for salvation is found in Jesus Christ. He has prescribed baptism, immersion in water, as a remedy for the removal of sin. He commanded his apostles to do it in order to make more disciples. How can he be denied? Yes, we are saved by God's grace, but within this grace is the command to be baptized. There is no argument that will nullify this. There is too much biblical evidence to support the importance of it. |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | BradK | 64439 | ||
FTimA, The Bible does not contradict itself. God is not the author of confusion, but man is ( 1 Cor.14:33). In all honesty I don't see any resolve to our differences, and that's ok. I am curious on two points you made. 1. How does 1 Cor. 12:13 show the necessity of water baptism? The verse explicitly states " by one SPIRIT we were all baptized into one body..." The context most definitely shows that it is the SPIRIT who(literally) places us into union with Christ! Are you suggesting that the Spirit is the one who physically immerses us into water? 2. In your user profile you state that "Ephesians 4 is proof of singularity" I'll agree with this strictly for the sake of discussion. If that is what you believe, then what of Eph.4:5 and the One Baptism? Is it Spirit or water? By your reasoning would it not then be water? Back to 1 Cor.12:13. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64489 | ||
I have to say AMEN to 1 Corinthians 14:33. God is not the author of confusion but of peace. Saying man is the author of confusion, in my opinion, is an overgeneralization. I will also make an assumption. I am assuming that whenever you see the word "spirit" you automatically attribute it to the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4:4-6 states, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. This passage of scripture taken as a whole confirms that there is unity in God's plan. One body - the church which Christ died for. In Matthew 16:16 Peter makes the great confession that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Savior. The Jewish people had anxiously awaited his coming and he was finally here. The tragedy is that not many accepted him. Regardless, in Matthew 16:18, Jesus said that, upon Peter's confession, he would build his church. Hence, the church of Christ. When Christ died on the cross, the door to his church was opened. The foundation was laid. On the day of Pentecost the first believers were added to it (at what point the apostles were baptized into Christ is not revealed, but it would have had to be after Christ's death). One Spirit - Yes, there is only one Holy Spirit. Constraints of the forum do not allow me to fully expound on a study of "spirit". But just in some quick scanning of passages I found the Holy Spirit, unclean spirits, and the spirit of man. I would be more than happy to do a study on the spirits in the bible but it would take some time. Let me just say that a student of the bible must be careful how they understand the use of the word spirit in some cases. One hope - the hope of heaven? eternal life? salvation? spiritual life with God? redemption? One Lord - Jesus Christ One Faith - this, like one spirit, could become an indepth study. Off the top of my head I would compare this to one belief. Faith is something a person believes in is it not? Faith is much more than just believing though. One baptism - Now wait a minute! How can there be one baptism? I read about the baptism of John, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the baptism for the remission of sin. Which is it? Which one adds us to the "one church"? What must I do to be saved? Repent and be baptized for the remission of sin. If my sin is remitted I am saved, if not I am not. If I am saved I am added to the church. All of this is supported by Acts 2. Romans 6:3-6 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; To answer your question "Are you suggesting that the Spirit is the one who physically immerses us into water? No, the Holy Spirit does not physically immerse us in the water, but the spirit of faith in Christ Jesus acts upon us causing us to obey the commandment of baptism. Again, Acts 2, those that heard Peter's words were "pricked in their hearts", they were convicted and convinced that they had sinned by crucifying Jesus, and responded by asking "What must we do". In a previous post dated 10/21 I went through a number of examples of conversion supporting the necessity of baptism. The baptism in Ephesians 4 is water baptism into Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. |
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