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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64246 | ||
What do the following passages mean? EPH 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. At first glance my thought is that Paul introduces the letter to the Ephesians by explaining to them the blessing we have in a loving God who before creation knew that man would fall and He would send Jesus to earth to die for him. His continuous use of the pronoun “us” to me refers to mankind in general, not just Christians, not just him and the Ephesians. Eph 1:3 - We receive all spiritual blessings through Christ. Eph 1:5-10 – All things have been created through Christ (Col 1:16). God, knowing that man would fall and that a savior would be needed, “predestined” us to adoption through Christ. John 14:6 says, “No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Fallen man is reconciled back to God through faith in Christ. In Christ we have obtained an inheritance, which is the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:14). ROM 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Here Paul is showing admiration to our God who left no stone unturned, so to speak, when it comes to providing for His creation. In the few passages prior to this (28-32) Paul explains how God offered salvation to His chosen people Israel first. Because of their disobedience He then offered it to Gentiles. This results in mercy available to all. The mind of God is above our comprehension and Romans 11:33 is confirmation of that. HEB 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath. God, in order to show that He is faithful, made a promise to Abraham and on top of that swore by Himself (two immutable things vs 18, God's promise and God's oath) that He would come through with His promise. His counsel is immutable. It cannot change. ROM 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. This passage says to me that God is in control and will do what He deems necessary to fulfill His will. Pharoah for example vs. 17. What is your understanding of these passages? |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | John Reformed | 64309 | ||
Dear FTima, EPH 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. You wrote: "At first glance my thought is that Paul introduces the letter to the Ephesians by explaining to them the blessing we have in a loving God who before creation knew that man would fall and He would send Jesus to earth to die for him." Paul also says we (saints) have been predestined by God . We did not choose Him; He chose us (Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love). He is speaking to God's choice in election, not the fall of mankind in Adam. " His continuous use of the pronoun “us” to me refers to mankind in general, not just Christians, not just him and the Ephesians." I do not understand how you can come to this conclusion. Their is no justification for it. The letter is 1. To the saints; 2 Grace to you; 3 who has blessed us; 4. just as He chose us; 5. He predestined us; 6. bestowed on us; 7. In Him we have redemption; :8 which He lavished on us. 9. He made known to us; 11. also we have obtained. To say that “us” to me refers to mankind in general is to force one's own presupposition on the verse. Are "all mankind in general" saints that by God's grace are blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ? Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world? Predestined to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself? No. Of course not! Only God's elect have" redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace". Please reconsider your interpetation. (My wife is calling me back to the good works I do on behalf of my familly). I look forward to your reply. If I have misunderstood your post, please tell me how I did so. John Reformed |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64410 | ||
Acts 2:13 "'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;" 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." If God's plan only includes a select "elect" what purpose does Jesus serve? If it has already been predetermined by God who will and who will not be saved why the entire book of books? God could have written this plan in one sentence! How does one know if he/she belongs to the elect and if this knowledge is possible why obey the gospel of Christ if no matter what you do you cannot change your destiny? Calvinism just DOES NOT make sense in the grand scheme of things. |
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4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Hank | 64416 | ||
FTimA: The subjects of [1] Baptismal regeneration, [2] "Once Saved, Always Saved (the eternal security of the believer or perseverance of the saints) and [3] Calvinism, have been discussed and debated at considerable length on this forum. I urge you to do two things: [1] Read the instructions that the owners of this web site, the Lockman Foundation, have laid down in reference to denominational bias. You can access these under the "About the Forum" tab on the left margin of the screen beneath the red "Information" column. [2] Use the Search function to retrieve posts on the subjects that interest you. One friendly caveat: Failure to comply with the established guidelines that are herein stated by the Lockman Foundation could lead to their intervention. --Hank | ||||||
5 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64427 | ||
I appreciate your concern Hank and have read the information. My desire is to teach the truth from the bible as it is written. I will make every attempt to use scripture to support my position rather than opinion. If the Lockman Foundation decides that "speak(ing) the things which are fitting for sound doctrine" (Titus 2:1) from God's word is "Pushing ones own personal and denominational views" I am sure they will let me know. I have been exposed to many different "doctrines" in my experience as a Christian and have found that all of them are a result of a man, or men, twisting what was God breathed to the holy Apostles and written down by these or other men inspired of God. When a person or persons make difficult that which is so simple by design with regards to obedience and worship to God, they nullify the words of Jesus when he said, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (Mt 11:28-30) | ||||||
6 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Hank | 64436 | ||
FTimA: I note from your user profile that you are a member of the group known as "The Church of Christ," which comes as no surprise to me, having guessed it from your first post. Although it claims not to be a denomination, it fits the definition hand in glove. ..... Furthermore, allow me to quote a sentence from your user profile and susequently question you about it. The quote is, "Denominationalism is a product of Satan working through men to thwart the truth of the one true church." Strong words, those, and by them do you mean to say that the denomination of which I happen to be a member, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), is a product of Satan? Are you prepared to aver and prove that the Presbyterian, Methodist, Assemblies of God, Lutheran, Catholic, etc. are also products of Satan? These, friend, are strong words indeed, and you will need to "gird up your loins" in a most extraordinary manner in order to defend this outright attack on the majority of the members of this forum. --Hank | ||||||
7 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64486 | ||
How many churches are mentioned in the Bible? The churches of Asia (1 Corinthians 16:9) The churches of Christ (Romans 16:16) The church of Ephesus (Revelation 2:1) The churches of Galatia (1 Corinthians 16:1) The church of the firstborn (Hebrews 12:23) The churches of the Gentiles (Romans 16:4) The church of God (Acts 20:28, 1 Corinthians 1:2, 10:32, 11:22, 15:9, Galatians 1:13, 1 Timothy 3:5) The churches of Judea (Galatians 1:22) The church of the Laodecians (Colossians 4:16, Revelation 3:3) The churches of Macedonia (2 Corinthians 8:1) The church of the Thessalonians (1 Thessalonians 1:1) The word church appears in the New Testament approximately 108 times. These are just a few. The key though is that in every occurrence it refers to the same one, the one body purchased by the blood of Christ. In Acts 20:28, Paul says to the elders of the church at Ephesus, “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.” Where do you find "Presbyterian, Methodist, Assemblies of God, Lutheran, Catholic, etc." in the bible? |
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