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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64195 | ||
You must look at God's word as a whole. Excluding all of the teaching on baptism is a grave error. John the baptist would not have had to prepare the way if baptism wasn't necessary. Even his baptism was null and void after Jesus died. Read Acts 19:1-5. Why did these men need to be baptized into Christ if they had already been baptized into "John's baptism". They evidently had already believed. Read the examples of conversion in Acts, the 3000 on Pentecost, the Philippian jailor, the Ethiopian eunuch, Cornelius and his household, Lydia, Saul of Tarsus! How many examples are necessary to prove what God's word says is true? | ||||||
2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Morant61 | 64207 | ||
Greetings FTimA! I agree with you that one must look at God's Word as a whole. However, that does not mean that one is allowed to change the meaning of clear statements of Scripture. This particular discussion has come up many times before and in every thread, the argument has been made that Paul's statement in Eph. 2:8-9 does not really mean: "You are not saved by works!" But, that it really means: "You are not saved by works alone!" Scripture is very clear about the relationship between works and salvation. Works in no way contribute to our salvation. It is because we are saved that we are able to do good works. We are not saved because we do good works, nor do we keep salvation because of our works. So, yes, let's look at Scripture as a whole! However, let's not ignore the very clear teachings of Scripture concerning works. For previous answers to your example question, search for: Morant61 and Baptism. This will point you to some of my previous posts on this topic, if you are so inclined! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64208 | ||
I assume by your post that the point is moot and that I am bringing up old issues of debate? | ||||||
4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Morant61 | 64210 | ||
Greetings FTimA! Not necessarily and Yes! Yes, it is an old debate. However, it is not necessarily moot. I am always willing to discuss issues with people who are sincerely interested in finding out what Scripture has to say about an issue. So, what do you think my new friend? Does Eph. 2:8-9 mean 'not by works alone' or does it mean 'not by works'? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | FTimA | 64214 | ||
Here is Ephesians 2:8-10 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." 1. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God" Romans 5:8 adds to the understanding of this, "But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." God appeared to men in the flesh as Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of mankind that "whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life." Jn 3:15,16 Jesus' death on the cross is God's gift to man, that whoever believes in him may receive the gift. The concept of belief here has a much deeper meaning than just saying, "Oh, yeah, I believe Jesus is the Christ." It involves obedience. Time does not allow me to go into scriptural support for obedience. Baptism is an act of obedience, not a work. I cannot make it any plainer. The bible teaches this. I would contrast Eph 2:8, 9 with James 2:14-26. Read this and let me know what you think. "What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. |
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