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1 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30716 | ||
Dear ArtS, Greetings in Jesus' name! Then wouldn't any willful rejection of God's will be unto death? But we can repent any time we want to, and be reinstated? So our lives are in our own hands, we decide our fate, right? If this is so, I expect to see a LOT of people saved through deathbed repentance! Just live any way you want, as long as you have a moment to say, "I'm sorry, God!" immediately before you kick the bucket. Friend, don't you see that if any willful rejection after knowing God equals death, then our lives are outside of His grace, and we become the perfecters of salvation. Then we get into an endless treadmill of determining how much rejection is enough to die, and how much is just 'minor.' Occam's Razor would say that this is much to complicated a system to be attributed to a God that loves us. In addition, we would encroach on His sovereignty to assume that we are responsible to 'keep' our salvation. Peace and love to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30790 | ||
You say: 1) Then wouldn't any willful rejection of God's will be unto death? Yes. If we Reject JEsus, so He rejects us Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 2) But we can repent any time we want to, and be reinstated? I don't see anywhere that there are only certain times that God will open the door for us and the rest of the time He keeps it locked... 3) So our lives are in our own hands, we decide our fate, right? Luke10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27 He answered: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, "Love your neighbor as yourself. 28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live." We can either do this or not. The choice is ours. Jesus tels the man to DO this and live. 4) If this is so, I expect to see a LOT of people saved through deathbed repentance! Yep, just like the thief on the cross 5) we become the perfecters of salvation Jesus is the "perfecter" of our salvation. If WE then "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind", that's all we can do. He does the rest. Bless...ArtS |
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3 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30857 | ||
Dear ArtS, Greetings in Jesus' name! To me, your idea of salvation speaks nothing of sanctification or covenant. Every time we 'deny' Christ by sinning, we are unclean and the God-initiated covenant is broken. True? After all, sin is any thought, action, or inaction that is against the will of God. When Our will supercedes the will of God (which happens to all!), then we effectively deny Christ. Or are you saying that we can sin without denying Christ? This leads us to a mortal sin/venial sin/overlooked sin type of theology. 1) Matthew 10:32 speaks of a confession that is a promise, a covenant, not a temporary relationship. (until we 'deny' Christ) In 10:33, the word deny (disown) cannotes a final decision, not a 'side-track.' 2) I agree that the door is always open for repentance, both for the lost and for the saved. The saved are called to repentance, too! It is part of our sanctification by the Holy Spirit! 3) I understand you Arminian leanings, but this goes beyond the choice to choose God or not. Choose, deny, choose, deny...etc. clearly implies that we did NOT choose God with much conviction! It also implies that the God-initiated covenant is not very strong or binding. 4)The thief on the cross had no previous saved/unsaved gyrations. He was moved upon by the Holy Spirit to recognize Christ. To say that we can know salvation, then 'lose' it by denial of Christ (willfully living 'our way' with no compunction) until just prior to death, then be fully reinstated to a sinless state with no accountability (judgment at the seat of Christ), mocks God, and denies sanctification by the Holy Spirit. 5) But you ARE saying that Jesus is the Author of our salvation, but we choose to finish (perfect) it according to our will. We alone decide whether or not we want to 'keep' our salvation or 'lose' it! I would make a lousy Calvinist, but your Super-Arminian stance is beyond me! :-) Peace to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30895 | ||
Grrrr... I just wrote a long reply, hit send, it said I couldn't use one symbol I used, I hit back, and it was all gone. In brief (because I dont want to retype the long one), we do not "deny Christ" when we sin. When we sin, we sin. When we sin, we are not following His commands (John 14:21-24), but that does not mean we have denied Christ. Just that we have sinned. The Matthew verses do not say this is a final decision and any attemp to make them say that is from you, not from God's words. No where does it say its a one-time decesion. denying God after we have received Him can be for many reasons. For you to say its because our first choice was done without "much conviction" is a judgment we cannot make. I have seen people lead away by believing Satan's lies, one by death and one by being raped. For me to say "well, they just really didn't believe before" is for me to judge them. The thief did exactly what you said mocks God. He denied Christ all his life "until just prior to death, then be fully reinstated to a sinless state with no accountability." I would like you to find one verse that says we cnnot be lost all our lives and not saved at the end of it. Or find me one verse that says if we knock, God will not always open the door. Jesus IS our salvation, period. He offers it as a free gift to us. All we do is accept or deny it. "Super Arminian", lol. Do I get a cape with that? Gotta love labels. Bless...ArtS |
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5 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30897 | ||
Dear ArtS, Greetings in Jesus' name! Sorry about your lost post. :-( If it's any comfort, we've all had them. If sin is just sin, then we can do as much of it as we please as long as we don't deny Jesus? Hmmm. According to Strong's: confess, 3670 - Greek 3670 homologeo hom-ol-og-eh'-o from a compound of the base of 3674 and 3056; to assent, i.e. covenant, acknowledge:--con- (pro-)fess, confession is made, give thanks, promise. From Robertson's Word Pictures: Deny - Note accusative here (case of extension), saying "no" to Christ, complete breach. This is a solemn law, not a mere social breach, this cleavage by Christ of the man who repudiates him, public and final. Art, this is not just my opinion. A good many faithful Christians believe that Jesus would not deny them lightly. To sever our relationship with God is serious business! I am not sure of your true feelings, but you make it sound almost whimsical. And you make God sound like some bean-counter, tallying denials and repentances until the day of our death. You said that you don't want to judge people that have been 'led away,' but you just DID judge them! You said that they are now going to hell. If that is not judging, what is? No, we know next to nothing about the thief on the cross. I do not deny that deathbed repentance is possible, I just have to wonder about those 'calculated' deathbed repentances. :-) "All we do is accept or deny it." Again and again? How droll! No, no cape or insignia! :-) OK, no labels... Uh, what was your name? :-) Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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6 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30900 | ||
Technically, yes we can "do as much of it as we please". But not in reality because, as Christians, we strive not to. Faith without works is dead, remember? but we ALL DO sin. Sin is sin. Denying Christ and therefore His gift of salvation is totally different. I'm not saying Jesus denying us is a little thing. It very much IS a big thing. But we see Jesus say that if we deny Him, so will He deny us. his words, not mine. saying tat non believers will go to hell is not judging them. Its repeating what Jesus said will happen. Saying "You are going to hell" is different than saying "If you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell." The first is a judgment. The second is an if/then statement and is conditional. Ok... There is also a difference between a deathbed acceptance and a calculated deathbed acceptance. Acceptace, at anytime, has to be sincere, not just words you say to get a get out of hell free card. If you say "I'm going to party and have fun and sin all over, and wait until I'm dying, then accept Christ" it would raise grave concerns on the sincerity of their final acceptance. Bless...ArtS |
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