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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Reformer Joe | 30338 | ||
No, it wasn't true about the Pharisees that they had always been near to God. But that wasn't the point the parable was trying to make. That is what I was trying to say before. It is not an allegory, where everything represents a spiritual reality. Jesus is making one point: he is here to save sinners. That is the scriptural truth he is making plain. Let me illustrate the dangers of reading too much into the parables out of context. In Luke 11 we have a parable of a man banging on his neighbor's door to illustrate how we are to be persistent in praying to God. However, the man inside the house is telling the persistent neighbor not to bother him. The man on the outside definitely represents a praying person, but if we conclude that the person on the inside must be God, then we have a God who is reluctant to help us. Shall we draw that from the parable? Assuming your answer would be "no," then we need to be careful with parables to see precisely what point Jesus is responding to, or else we may come to false spiritual conclusions. In the case of the lost son, Jesus is illustrating the rejoicing of the Father over the lost, which is Christ's motivation for fellowshiping with them --Joe! |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30341 | ||
But see, the difference is that you are misrepresenting the point of the parable. That parable talks about ask and you shall recieve, knock and the door will be open. It is made clear that if we do this, God WILL respond. So your generalization goes against that parable. The one I brought up does no such thing. You are simply ignoring part of what Jesus said in order to maintain your belife. Bless...ArtS |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Reformer Joe | 30344 | ||
I was not misrepresenting the point of the parable. Rather I was showing that how, by following your example of trying to draw a spiritual inference from ever single aspect of the parable, that it is easy to come to false conclusions, as I hold that you have done with the parable of the lost son. What YOU keep ignoring in your posts is the context of the story and why Jesus told it. I will make you a deal, Art. If you can show me how your interpretation of the parable of the lost son addresses the situation which gave rise to it, I will accept it. Specifically, how does the "lost-saved-lost" scenario you present fit with this situation? "Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him. Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, "This man receives sinners and eats with them." So He told them this parable, saying...' --Luke 15:1-3 For those who think that salvation is a revolving door, I always wonder how they address verses like this as well... "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." --Hebrews 6:4-6 --Joe! |
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4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30347 | ||
It fits in the EXACT way the other two parables fit in. All three speak about saving the lost - the coin, the sheep, the son. You are picking on this one parable and ignoring the other two that address the same thing. They are all talking about saving the lost. This one just talks about that were saved, the lost then saved "again". Hebrews is easy. Can that person renew themselves? No. Can we renew them? No. Can God? Yes: Matt 19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Look at those verses again though. It says in the case of those who HAVE BEEN partakers of the Holy Spirit and THEN have fallen away. It clearly says they CAN fall away. And no, we can't get them back, only God can. Bless...ArtS |
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5 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Reformer Joe | 30351 | ||
The last one is the only one that addresses a complaint identical to the one the Pharisees were making. Who is the elder brother supposed to represent in the context of the discourse between Jesus and the Pharisees? Or did he include an elder brother in his parable for no reason at all? --Joe! |
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