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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | yokefellow | 30335 | ||
Joe, 1. Fortunately, the church of our Lord that He established (Matt. 16:18-19) "suddenly" sprang up in A.D. 33 on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2) - not 200 years ago as you declare The church of my Lord is a "spiritual" institution (John 18:36) - not a physical one set up by man and his dogmas, creeds, philosophies, etc. Daniel foretold the establishment of that "spiritual" kingdom (the church) in Daniel 2:31-44. In fact, the church was in the mind of God BEFORE the foundation of the world (Eph 1:3-5; 1 Pet. 1:20) so I believe that's a little before "200 years ago". 2. If the doctrine of depravity and original sin were true then Christ must have been mistaken when He said in Matt. 18:3, "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." It's obvious that if a little child can enter into the kingdom of heaven, he must be "sinless" for I read that those who are "sinful" will not enter into that kingdom (Revelation 21:27). You cannot argue over what the scriptures clearly teach because God's Word never changes - you can, however, point out what the scriptures do not teach and that's what I've done. By the way, I don't believe in arguing - it doesn't get you anywhere, is not productive, and wastes a whole lot of time! Mike |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Reformer Joe | 30348 | ||
Well, if you don't like healthy debate, you have found the wrong forum, I am afraid. :) So maybe you can clear up your beliefs a little so I don't have to spend a lot of time trying to figure them out. 1. Are you saying that one must be immersed in water in order to go to heaven? 2. Do only the sinless go to heaven (Your interpretation of Matthew 13:3 and Revelation 21:27 lead me to think that you do)? As far as the Matthew verse is concerned, is it saying that the childlike quality we are to have is sinlessness? Well, let us let Scripture speak for itself, as you say: "Whoever then HUMBLES HIMSELF as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." --Matthew 18:4 Hmmm... In any case, I find it interesting that you scoff at dogmas, creeds, and philosphies. What does the word "dogma" mean? What is a "creed"? Everything you have put forward in your posts could be considered your creed and your dogma. And I assume that you are a man who is putting forth your dogma and creed. Furthermore, I would assume that you did not learn about the Bible in a vacuum, but that you have sat under someone else's teaching. So all that stuff you are putting forward is just a red herring. The question is not whether we listen to the teaching of men (we all have and do), or whether we have a creed or not (and all of us do, whether it is formally written or not); but, rather, which teachings of which men and what creeds correspond most closely to the Bible? --Joe! |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Hank | 30361 | ||
Joe, I'm afraid you're right. We simply can't escape creeds (not that there is any reason to!). If I say to you, "I have no creed but Christ," I have therein stated my creed..... Our little word "dogma" gets an undeservedly bad rap, obviously on account of its linguistic cousin, "dogmatic." In the sense that theologians use the word -- a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church -- dogma is a fine word, and I dogmatically propose that it be not thrown to the dogs. --Hank | ||||||
4 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | The Disciple | 30378 | ||
To All of Us DOGS....ehehehe Hank...you made me cry with laughter with that last sentence...Thank you.... D |
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