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1 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Reformer Joe | 30296 | ||
Where does the Prodigal Son parable state that the son was "alive, then dead, then alive"? Even assuming that the person referred to was already saved, why would his departure have to symbolize spiritual death? Also, we have to be careful not to turn a parable (where there is one or two significant points that are being made) with an allegory (where everything in the story represents something else). In this parable, the son STARTS OUT as a son, which would more likely indicate that his departure symbolizes his state of being fallen rather than having received Christ and then rejected Christ and then recived Christ again. --Joe! |
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2 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | kalos | 30302 | ||
Joe: Thank you for your well-stated points. I agree with you. I'm not challenging you here, for it seems that we are already in agreement with one another on this subject. I merely take this opportunity to present a few thoughts for the consideration of forum members in general. * Who says the point of the parable of the prodigal son is losing and then regaining one's salvation? Who says it has anything to do at all with salvation? It could be argued that the point of the parable is the self-righteous unforgiving son (perhaps a symbol of unbelieving Israel) compared to the sinner who confesses his sin and receives grace (believing Gentiles) * To say that this parable represents having salvation, then losing it, and then getting it back again presents a major problem. It contradicts the clear teaching of Hebrews 6:4 and following. In that passage it is clear that "It is impossible . . . if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance." What part of this do people not understand? If, as some interpret it, it is possible to lose one's salvation, then, according to the Hebrews 6 passage, it is also impossible to get it back again. Yet the fall-from-grace-and-lose-your-salvation crowd tell us that if you do lose your salvation, you can get it back again. Not according to the Hebrews passage. Afraid not. * It seems that people who believe it possible to fall from grace and lose your salvation often turn to parables for proof texts to support their belief. I would avoid building a doctrine on a parable, since parables often have more than one legitimate interpretation. It seems that a parable, filled with figurative, symbolic language, would be a weak foundation upon which to build a doctrine. *Finally, in the parable of the prodigal son, at what point did he cease to be the son of his father, if indeed he is a symbol of one who loses his salvation? Was he later born again *again*? kalos |
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3 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30305 | ||
To your points: 1) makes no sense. How can you intrepret this as anything but salvation. The one immediately before talks about a sinner repenting and receiving salvation. The parable itself speaks of a man taking his inheritance from God and squanders it on earth (and isn't our inheritance salvation?). The next one goes on to show what happens when you choose to waste what God gives you, saying you cannot serve these earthly desires and God. In the parable, the son was alive, dead, then alive again. He had an inheritance that was his, from God. Only saved people have this. 2) Is it possible for us to restore him? No. Is it possible for him to restore himself? no. Is it possible for God to restore him? Matt 19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Wit God, ALL things are possible. 3) Parables are he words of Jesus. That's good enough for me. 4) It doesn't say he stopped being a son, it says he became lost and dead. Either this happened when he turned from God, or Jesus left something out. I tend to believe He didn't. When did he regain his salvation? When he returned to God (we see this by the celebration that occurred as we are told in the parable prior to it would take place when someone is saved). Bless...ArtS |
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