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1 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Pastor Glenn | 65263 | ||
Amen EdB, That reminds me of what Christ said in response to Satan's temptation to jump from the pinnacle of the temple: Luke 4:9Then he brought Him to Jerusalem, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here. 10For it is written: "He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you,' 11and, "In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone."'[Psalm 91:11, 12] 12And Jesus answered and said to him, "It has been said, "You shall not tempt the LORD your God."'[Deuteronomy 6:16] Pastor Glenn |
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2 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | EdB | 65293 | ||
Pastor Glenn They even go beyond that in an attempt to dictate to God. The heart of the teaching places God in a position that is controlled by the faith of man. EdB |
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3 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Hank | 65324 | ||
Hello, EdB. As for me, I'm quite willing to, and do, go on record as saying that any attempt by man to presume to put the sovereign Almighty God in a position by which He can be manipulated and controlled by human faith goes beyond mere heresy. It is blasphemy. God is not indebted to us, is not obligated to us, owes us nothing; and were it not for His grace we all of us would spend eternity in hell. The ideas of our striking a deal with God, or having bargaining power with God, or being empowered to place God under obligation to us are not only horrid and hideous, but too utterly absurd to merit even passing consideration. We were sinners, lost and estranged from God, with no other plea than that the blood of Jesus Christ was shed for you and me. Thank you, Ed, for your strong leadership in guiding this thread and this forum in exposing the errors of these false doctrines by which many are being led away from the truth of God's word. Yours in Christ, --Hank | ||||||
4 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | EdB | 65349 | ||
Hank When I read this my spirit jumped I thought Pastor Glenn had written it and I was excited to see his confession of faith and that he wasn't tied up in WOF. Not that your confession doesn't excite me. :-) Hank the reason I fight WOF is I consider this false teaching to be the most harmful challenge to true Christianity of any lie placed on this earth. In one form or another, part of the WOF lie has crept into nearly every church in America today. God is being reduced down to a servant rather than some one to be worshipped. Look at our worship songs we sing. Over half are now about us and not God. Look at the solemnity and reverence in the church it is almost non existent. WOF is a perfect overlay for our changing society they go hand in hand. Lost of respect in society lost of respect for God. Casual everything attitude in society casual attitude toward God. Everything circles around me in society God is at my beck and call. Humanity is the center of the universe, God has to respond to man. If this tide doesn’t soon get turned and the people don’t wake up and start learning and understanding what is essential Christianity, all discernment will be lost and the church in America will slip to where the church is in Europe almost non existent. There isn’t one WOF teaching that doesn’t sound good, that doesn’t make logical sense, or doesn’t offer the listener something. These are the ingredients that make the teaching so easy to be passed off as genuine. However each is steeped in a falsehoods, that can only be realized by men and women grounded in the true Word of God. We must pray for discernment and study to show ourselves approved or we will swept away by the raging tide of falsehood. EdB |
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5 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | Pastor Glenn | 65359 | ||
EdB, You said, "...the reason I fight WOF is I consider this false teaching to be the most harmful challenge to true Christianity of any lie placed on this earth... ...Everything circles around me in society God is at my beck and call. Humanity is the center of the universe, God has to respond to man. " This is part of the sin condition as men walk in the flesh, rather than in the spirit. False WOF teaching is just one small vulnerability of church goers, for some it is lust for sex, or lust for money, or pride. There is nothing new about these things: 1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world. Doers--Not Hearers Only James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. 26If anyone among you[2] thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. 27Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. Pastor Glenn |
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6 | Did Jesus suffer in hell when he died? | Luke 23:46 | EdB | 65401 | ||
Pastor Glenn Your absolutely right there is much other sin. The problem with WOF is the people are deceived they think their doing right but what they have been proof texted. These lies are creeping into the church and many are getting caught up in them not even realizing they have been deceived. Most never have a problem until they need to rely on their faith and then they find the formulas just aren't working. They then assume God must be the problem and many many walk away. It's a horrible snow ball rolling down hill and it is not easily stopped. I have personally witnessed the devastation this false teaching has brought to families that got caught up in it. I have seen them say we have done everything and we believed God had to do thus and such and He didn’t therefore all that we have believed in is false. When we tell people God has to do something we remove His sovereignty, God does not have to do a thing. EdB |
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