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1 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24555 | ||
Greetings Coop1! The word 'unknown' isn't in the text of 1 Cor. 14:2. That is one of the 'added' words intended to bring out the meaning better! :-) But, I think your point is valid. Look at the last part of the verse. Paul says, "....Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit." I think that it is clear from this passage that 'tongues' can refer to an unknown language. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24572 | ||
I read from the Kings James Version and the word unknown IS in the text. coop1 | ||||||
3 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24574 | ||
Greetings Coop1! If you check the text of your KJV, you should find that the word 'unknown' is in italics. If you check the front of your bible, there should be a section which explains that a word in italics indicates that the word was supplied by the translators to smooth out the translation. Greek often leaves out the verb in a clause. It is often just assumed. The Greek text of 1 Cor. 14:2 reads: "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to man but he speaks to God, for no one hears (see note below), rather he speaks mysteries in spirit." Note: The word for 'hears' can be used in the sense of hearing without understanding. Compare the following verses where the same word is used. 1) Acts 9:7 - "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man." 2) Acts 22:9 - "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me." Both verses indicate that the men heard the voice, but they did not understand what was being said. The same is true in 1 Cor. 14:2! Those who hear the tongue being spoken to God hear it, but do not understand it. Thus, I was supporting your point. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24576 | ||
Tim, I know that you were supporting my point. And I understand that the word 'unknown' has been added. But these words were not added lightly, and there for I do not dimiss them. Like your last note said, it is clear in the rest of the passage that this is a language used in speaking to God. Please understand my defensiveness, I am posting straight from the bible, and some would still find cause to argue. Last night, Hank posted a note, in what seemed like an effort to discredit that very verse. Seemingly insinuating that this 'unknown' language was actually others known languages. And well I understand that this does happen also, but it is two seprate things. And then Martha just said she outright don't believe in it. How can you not believe something right there in black and white in front of you? Anyway, I do enjoy these conversations non the less. coop1 |
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5 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24583 | ||
Greetings Coop1! Allow me to add a couple of points! 1) It wasn't Hank who responded to your post about tongues, it was Radioman! Hank's probably sitting back saying, "What did I do?" :-) 2) Both you and Radioman are partially right about Acts 2. Radioman is correct that same tongues of 1 Cor. 14 is being discussed since the same Greek word is used in both passages. However, you are right that there is a difference. Notice that Acts 2:6 and 2:8 both say that each one heard their own language. This was a miracle of hearing. It doesn't say that each language was represented among the speakers. It says that each "heard" their own dialect. So, the tongues may or may not have been real languages, but each one heard their own language. 3) Finally, there are many differences of opinion concerning this whole topic simply because Scripture doesn't give us as much detail as we would like. So, there are a lot of unaswered questions. My personal view is that tongues are for today, but they are just one of many spiritual gifts provided by the Holy Spirit. They have their place, but aren't necessarily the most important. In fact, according to 1 Cor. 14, unless they are interpreted, they shouldn't even be spoken outloud in a worship service. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24589 | ||
Tim, We agree! I actually agree with you on this one! Well what do ya' know! :-) Sorry Hank, I thought you were Radioman...I mean I thought Radioman was you...well, you know what I mean, (he is mad at me anyway) Ok, so what about the other part of that? (ie: under 29, Well, first speaking in tongues...)My response to Martha. The baptism of the Holy Spirit. How do you see that? I tend to believe it actually is a two part process. The believeing and then the filling...which covers all three entities. Where by, we first believe on the word of God by Jesus and then become filled with the Holy Spirit. And ye shall RECEIVE POWER after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you,...and you shall be a witness to me in all the world...Acts 1:8 I am aware of the different veiws on this also, but was wondering about yours. Jesus said that in the end times they would have a form of religion but would deny the true power. That they would honor with their lips but their hearts would be far from him. I am thinking this denial is actually a denial of the Holy Spirit...which would explain why there are a lot of powerless Christians out there with a lack of the signs and wonders following them as described in Luke and in Acts.(don't get your feathers in an uproar, I say this repectfully) Was wondering about your veiws on this subject. Could it be that we, (as I believe are the latter generation and seeing the beginning of end times events take place quickly), could it be that the ones Jesus was refering to as denying the TRUE POWER is us? (which takes me back to whole point on this war...but we won't go into that) And that we are actually denying the Holy Ghost and the TRUE POWER of God? Tim, we have instant everything in this world now. Instant coffe, instant mail, and instant salvation. What IF it is not that instant, and we are denying the Holy Ghost in some way. What then? Do you suppose it is possible that God would actually want us to show a willingness to obey His word that we have believed on, BEFORE giving us the power to use it? Just a thought... coop1 :-) |
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7 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24598 | ||
Greetings Coop1! I've got to run in just a second, so I'll have to make this quick! I believe that every Christian is baptized into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. I believe that every Christian therefore has the Holy Spirit. But, I do believe, based primarily on Acts, that there is an empowering or consecrating experience subsequent to salvation. This could be called a baptism, filling, ect..... My only concern at this point would be that people are clear that all Christians have the Holy Spirit. I guess the question is, 'Does the Holy Spirit have all Christians?' There are a lot of different views on this issue. I think they have more in common than not. The things we can all agree on are: 1) All Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. 2) The Holy Spirit empowers Christians for service. 3) Part of the empowerment comes from spiritual gifts. How we describe these points may differ somewhat from group to group, but the basics seem to be there in most! I've got to run! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24606 | ||
Hi Tim... I know you just couldn't wait to get back to your computer and see my lovely name up there, huh? :-) I understand and agree with most of what you said, but I am a little confused in how you distinguished between, the Holy Spirit 'having us' and 'us having' the Holy Spirit? If all Christians have the Holy Spirit, where did they get it? Do we have to get it twice? Once upon salvation and then again as a gift? I am sorry...I am just a little confused. Just to pacify me...could you please take a sec to elaborate on that just a bit? I would greatly appreciate it...Thanks...coop1 |
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9 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24616 | ||
Greetings Coop1! I'm back! There are a couple of passages which have a very important bearing on the question of who has the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:9 says, " You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ." Thus, every Christian has the Holy Spirit, or they could not be Christian. The same thought is expressed in 1 John 3:24 - "Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us." 1 Cor. 12:13 says, "For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink." Or, 1 Cor. 3:16 which says, "Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?" The point is that every Christian receives the Holy Spirit at the moment of New Birth. It is the Spirit which baptizes us into the Body of Christ. At the same time, Acts makes it clear that there was another experience subsequent to salvation. Most call it being baptized or filled with the Spirit. I have no problem with either name, as long as we understand that the believer doesn't receive the Holy Spirit at that point. It is simply a consecrating or empowering experience which doesn't add to their salvation. I hope this helped some! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | But What is it? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24636 | ||
Got it...ok...good answer! Thanks! :-) coop1 |
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