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1 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24095 | ||
Greetings Coop1! I hope you had a great Thanksgiving! I agree that the direction our nation has taken has not always been the "best." However, we are still the greatest nation on earth. We allow people to be free in this nation. Do I like abortion? No! But, I have the freedom to stand up and say that I don't like it! :-) The simple fact is that we were attacked by terrorists who want nothing more than to take all of our freedoms from us. That is worth fighting against! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Sir Pent | 24101 | ||
Contrary View .................................... It is a rare occasion that I disagree with Tim Moran, however, this is one of those times. I believe that Christians should not directly support wars. For an extensive background on why, I would recommend doing a search for "killing OT good NT bad". Without going into all that here, let me just make one point about this whole defending rights and freedoms idea. I don't find much of a biblical mandate to kill people in order to keep our rights and freedoms. In fact, our example, Christ, gave up his rights and freedoms to come to Earth for us. He also taught such ideas as walking an extra mile (when they had a right to stop at one), turning the other cheek (when they had a right to strike back), and not casting stones (when they had the freedom to). The Bible seems to consistently say that we should trust God to take care of us and not depend on ourselves to protect our rights all the time. And as for freedom, Paul talked about how excersizing his freedoms wasn't even worth causing a brother to stumble in his faith. Do we honestly think that Paul would support it being worth killing someone to be able to excersize our freedom? Throughout history Christians killing people (crusades, inquisition, etc.) has been a huge stumbling block to the rest of the world. I just don't think that the response we are doing is the response that Jesus would do, or support, or want His followers to support. |
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3 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Sir Pent | 24367 | ||
Personal Note ................................... Dear Tim, Do you have any thoughts on my recent post regarding killing people to protect our "rights and freedoms"? |
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4 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24404 | ||
Response............................. Greetings Sir Pent! Sorry, this post was attached to your last post, so I didn't see it until just now! I'm not sure I have a lot to add! :-) We debated this issue pretty thoroughly awhile back! I believe that war can be just and that self-defense is allowable. If someone broke into my house and threatened my family, I would give him every chance to get out or surrender, but if he refused, he would be stopped! Or, at least I would give it the old college try! As you know, my logic goes this way! 1) War was commanded at times in the Old Testament! 2) God cannot do or tempt others to do evil! 3) Therefore, not all wars are evil! 4) There is no specific verse which forbids warefare or self-defense in any part of the Bible. Therefore, if someone chooses not to fight, I would support them. In fact, I would fight to defend that choice! :-) But, I don't believe that war or killing are always immoral. In fact, I think it would be immoral for good people to sit back and do nothing while bad people take advantage. I believe it would have been immoral for us to sit back and do nothing about Hitler. Unfortunately, we didn't get involved in that war until Pearl Harbor was bombed. So, I would agree that as Christians we shouldn't be trying to get rights for ourselves, but I think we should fight for the rights of others. For instance, when I was in high school, I did a little boxing. I am big enough to defend myself - about 230 right now! But, there were many times when I would allow a bully to pick on me (even spitting and hitting me) because I believed in turning the other check. However, if I see someone else being assulted, who is not able to defend themselves, I would be there in a heart beat! Peace - whenever possible! Force - only when necessary! Justice - always! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Sir Pent | 24433 | ||
Contrary View ............................... Dear Tim, I know that we have discussed war in general at length previously on another thread. I don't want to repeat what is there already, but this whole idea of rights and freedoms is IMHO somewhat uncovered. It seems that you are saying that it is wrong for a Christian to kill someone to defend their own rights, but it is right for a Christian to kill someone to defend the rights of another person. However, in the garden, when Peter tried to defend Jesus, he was told to put away his sword. Also although I agree with your overall interpretation that killing is not always wrong (since God commanded it in the OT), I disagree with your burden of proof. Since there is a clear commandment to not kill, and since it is never condoned in the New Testament, I believe the burden of proof lies on those who believe that it is right to kill. As you know, I believe there is a biblical basis for why the killing in the Old Testament was an exception to the rule. I find it hard to imagine discovering a biblical basis for why killing is still appropriate. |
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6 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Hank | 24441 | ||
Sir Pent, you would have to look long and hard to discover any passage of Scripture that says killing for killing's sake alone is "appropriate." But the Bible speaks quite clearly on meting out punishment in the cause of justice. Do you make no distinction between the two, or see any difference between the offender and the defender? --Hank | ||||||
7 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24471 | ||
Quote your scripture Hank..I'd like to read that one. Where does the bible justify killing for justice sake? The offender is satan and his angels, the defender is God and us through Jesus. We do not live on this earth alone...there are spirits at work here. Quote your scripture Hank...I want to know where the bible justifies war and killing for justice sake. coop1 |
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8 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | Hank | 24473 | ||
coop1, I will not respond to you nor to this thread any longer. --Hank | ||||||
9 | How do we respond to war as Christians? | Deut 7:2 | coop1 | 24482 | ||
No answer huh? Ok, your one chance to shut me up! And show me proof that I am wrong. So be it. coop1... over and out | ||||||