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1 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24386 | ||
Greetings Coop1! Herein lies our basic disagreement concerning the Bible: I don't believe that the Bible teaches that either war or killing is always wrong. The simple fact is that God COMMANDED Israel to go to war! Therefore, it cannot be evil in at least that instance. Thus, one cannot say that war is always wrong. Or, you are saying that God commanded Israel to do evil. God also commanded the deaths of people. Sometimes, He even commanded "innocent" women and children to be killed. We can disagree about when war is justified or not, but I simply don't see any Biblical argument that rules it all automatically. There is no verse which says, "War is always wrong, thou shalt never kill!" If there were such a verse, God Himself violated it! By the way, we are not bombing innocent children. We are bombing the soldiers of the Taliban who have choosen to back a terrorist organization that has and will continue to attack us unless they are stopped. Let's compare actions, shall we? 1) They bomb, with planes, the Trade Towers. In those towers, were thousands of people who were simply going to work. They had not done anything to the terorrists. They had not done anything to the Taliban. In fact, most of them probably had no clue who the Taliban were. But, 4,000 of them are now dead because an evil group decided that they could make a point by killing them. 2) We demanded that these murders be turned over for trial. The Taliban refused. Indeed, they support these terorrists (primarily because they receive their funding from these terorrists). So, we go in and take out the ability of the Taliban to do war and native Afghans are the ones who are fightening to overthrow a government, of foreigners, who came in 1996 and seized control. I don't think there is any comparison. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | Martha | 24412 | ||
God did not send the Israelites to war because they were self righteous or because they were good, this is why he did it. He was taking Israel to the promised land which was occupied by wicked, savaged people who used to kill and offer their sons and daughters to false idols, and he said to Israel: "Hear, O Israel: You are to cross over the Jordan today, and go in to dispossess nations greater and mightier than yourself, cities and great fortified up to heaven, "a people great and tall, the descendants of the Anakim, whom you know, and of whom you heard it said, 'who can stand before the descendants of Anak? "Therefore understand today that the Lord your God is He who goes over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and bring them down before you; so you shall drive them out and destroy them quickly, as the Lord has said to you. "Do not think in your heart, after the Lord your God has cast them out before you, saying 'Because of my righteousness the Lord has brought me in to possess this land; but because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is driving them out from before you. "It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you go in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfill the word which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. "Therefore understand that the Lord your God is not giving you this good land to possess because of your rightousness for you are a stiff-necked people. Deuteronomy 9:1-6 God himself led all these wars and fought for Israel to punish the wicked and to fulfill his promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He stopped after he fulfill his promise. At the same time he gave Israel the 10 commandments and told them not to kill. God can kill if he wants to, he is God he can do whatever he wants to, God gave Satan permission to do evil against Job, and his wife told him to curse God and die for the evil God was doing to him. "Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? Curse God, and die. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips." Job 2:9-10 but he can also tell us not to kill, because we are not Gods, we are his children. And if he says Do not Kill, then we do not kill as obedients children of our father. "Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "you shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandments, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does not harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10 Tim, We do not Kill. God can if he feels like it. He is God. He has his own reasons and we are not to judge him. "Judge not, that you be not judged. "For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged: and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you" "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Matthew 7:1-4 |
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3 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24416 | ||
Greetings Martha! I respect your gentleness, but God didn't kill the people with whom Israel was at war. The Israelites did because God commanded them to do so. David killed thousands of people. No matter how one tries to couch it, killing is not always wrong. Most scholars say of the ten commandments that "thou shalt not kill" refers to murder. Why? Because the very same law told the Israelites to execute certain classes of criminals. If "killing" is always wrong, then why did God command it? Consider the following: The phrase "put to death" is used 104 times in the Bible. Most of them, about 98 percent, refer to people that the law commanded be put to death for various crimes. Don't get me wrong! I am all for peace. Epspecially in our personal relationships as Christians. But, I just can't stand by while people claim that it is always wrong to go to war or to kill when God Himself commanded people to do it. This whole approach to evil would have one practical result: Evil people will rule the world! If no one fought, they would be unopposed. Even in the examples you used from the Old Testament of God fighting for Israel, He mostly worked through them. They did the fighting! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran 1) |
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4 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | Martha | 24420 | ||
There were times when God told the Israelites not to fight, but instead he sent the Angel of death to kill the people fighting against the Israelites and David. And by the way, God did not want David to build his temple because he was a warrior, he had death in his body. God loved David dearly but he could not let him build his temple, instead Salomon, a worshipper of idols did. By the way, evil rules the world, until such time when God returns, Christ himself will overcome it and I will be right next to him. In the meanwhile I do not kill, wether for good or bad. I'm going in peace, may you do the same. |
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5 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | Morant61 | 24421 | ||
Greetings Martha! Well, as brothers and sisters in Christ, we definitely have peace as well! :-) I'll be one of those right next to you! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | Martha | 24426 | ||
Very well. | ||||||