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1 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | charis | 24261 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! It is true that Jesus never commanded me to go to Afghanistan. But He did command me to submit to the earthly authority that HE placed over me. Also, he has placed a burden of wisdom and common sense upon me. Frankly, my friend, I won't even try to explain passages to you. I see that you have adequately explained them to yourself, and haven't shown much interest in the 'sum' of Scripture. Indeed, life in Christ is not easy. Sometimes, pacifism is simply the denial of practical reality. I am not 'for' war, and pray for a quick end to this conflict. But neither can I deny that if we leave things alone, we will soon see more terrorist violence. Fortunately, I am not in charge of things at a national level. I live at a 'local' level. The Bible clearly tells me to deal with sin with wisdom AND discipline. This I do in the church. I would no more allow sin to grow in the church than I would allow my family to be murdered before my very eyes. This is not revenge! It is just common sense. I do not preach an 'eye-for-an-eye.' But I do preach justice. Blessings and peace to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | jlpangilinan | 24291 | ||
Charis, I know common sense, I did not mention either that you just watch when somebody murdered your children. But Jesus Christ said flee to mountains. I am expecting that when we have a discussion we should put our reason base on biblical truth. If we are really a Christian what would we do? 1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. We should go out of the world because we are not in this world. I know you know what it means. What this passages is all about if you are a Christian and still you within you. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. If we are really a Christian we should follow the example of paul, He is not the one deciding for him but it was Christ.Paul was put in prison and beheaded, more of the desciples was murdered, are they commanded to fight? or use thier common sense to depend thier family?: He was led out of the city, with a crowd of the lowest rabble at his heels. The fatal spot was reached; he knelt beside the block; the headsman's axe gleamed in the sun and fell; and the head of the apostle of the world rolled down in the dust" (probably A.D. 66), four years before the fall of Jerusalem. Are they use common sense my friend? or they just allow thier prosecutors to prosecute or kill them? Too many claiming that they are a Christian but cannot follow the example of a true Christian (including me) Mt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. If we cannot follow the example of true Christians we should submit that we are just Christian by mouth and not by heart, just because of money: Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us. We have too many of that right now, very good to preach and teach, but cannot do what he was talking. God bless, Johnny |
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3 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | charis | 24295 | ||
Dear Johnny, Please do not say that those who defend themselves or their country through military service are in the same category as the 'fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters' as you quoted from 1 Corinthians. I am truly offended that you would say this. Without the heroic efforts of many 'defenders' you could be living in the southern province of Japan! I'm sorry to be so crude, but it is very easy to denounce the military while living in a free country. The war on terrorism going on now is not a war of faith. It is a war against hate and violence. Those that die at the hands of terrorists are not martyrs or 'killed in their faith.' Their lives are stolen in wanton acts of cowardice and violence. To bring the murderers to justice is just that, justice. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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4 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | jlpangilinan | 24308 | ||
Charis, I am not arguing you with my personal toughts, but what is written in the Bible. When you are answering my question please supported it with the passages then I would agree. You mentioned that in you previos post, that you are praying to finish this conflict, that is fine but I dont believed that this wars will stop but even will be worsen. Mt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. That is why we keep praying "Your Kingdom Come, Your Will be done on earth at is was in heaven" because this wars only end when the Kingdom Come. You mentioned about depending themeselves, I brought that question already but you refuse to answer. Are there teaching of Jesus Christ that you depend themselves? if there is its fine. Are there any teaching that soldier can kill somebody? Are there specific teaching for them as a Christian soldier? I you can show me, fine.: Lu 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. Do you think there is exemption here. Did Jesus Christ mentioned that ..."but if you are in trouble kill them it is okay?" Do you think when Soldier kill his Enemy it is not violence anymore? Is Jesus mentioned that it is Ok to kill if you depend yourselves? If you can show me fine. Again I am talking of a true Christian here, if we cannot follow the example of the real Christian, then we must submit that we are not truly serving Him but for the sake of Money: Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us. I am talking here of a true Christian my friend, not Christian in Mouth by a true Christian by heart that can follow the true teaching of Jesus Christ. God bless, Johnny |
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5 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | charis | 24313 | ||
Dear Johnny, Again I become weary with your 'challenging' style of stating your opinions. You say that you are not giving personal thoughts but Bible truth. How arrogant! No, I don't have to get into a Scripture tit-for-tat with you, especially when you use verses out of context and only from the translation that suits your purposes. The correct rendering of Luke 3:14 would be more like, 'Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages."' (NASB) The context of this verse does not tell soldiers not to fight, but to treat those in the nation they occupy fairly and without personal greed. The Bible does not tell you specifically to breathe, either, but I suggest that you continue. Please do not say that you are speaking as a "true Christian" implying that those that disagree with you are not. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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6 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | jlpangilinan | 24548 | ||
Charis, You start become angry, My agrument is too simple, Just show me that Jesus taught us to fight or to depend themeselves, and its fine: Jas 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mt 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. "Do good them hate you," if fighting back is doing good for you, it is your choice and not of the bible teaching. Or do you bless them by fighting them or killing them, because it was mentioned "blessed them that curse you". It is not my word my friend, it is from the scriptures, if we ignore them do you think scriptures made for what? a comics a decorations? Your suggestion become sarcastic, but let me try answer this using the word of God: Your comment:"The Bible does not tell you specifically to breathe, either, but I suggest that you continue." My Answer: Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. "Man become a living soul" Meaning would you suggest or not I am continuing breathing because your not the one holding my breath, it is very clear in that passages that God gave breath to everyone including yours. I respect you as a pastor, thanks for calling me arrogant! may God bless you in that. What I am very disappointed when you are starting changing my Statement: Your comment:"Please do not say that you are speaking as a "true Christian" implying that those that disagree with you are not. " MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT" "I am talking here of a true Christian my friend, not Christian in Mouth by a true Christian by heart that can follow the true teaching of Jesus Christ." You are accusing me of what I did not say, is that part of your teaching? My statement is: "I am talking of a true Christian" and "not as a true Christian" Meaning for those who follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, those who are in the Bible, an Example of a true Christian. If you remember my last post I also include myself as a Christian that cannot follow all the teaching of Jesus Christ! Dont change anything that is not true my friend, I hope you mistype it or misunderstood it. As a Christian it is not good. Please dont be angry, remember it is just a discussion. God bless you always, Johnny |
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7 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | charis | 24557 | ||
Johnny, Trust that I am not angry. But I am tired of repeating myself. I do not like or enjoy war. Do you understand me? I do not hate my enemies. Did you hear that? I do not want to kill all my enemies. Can you grasp my words? Please listen for a moment instead of just spewing forth sentimental nonsense. God commands us to discipline our children. God commands us to enforce discipline and order in His church. God commands us not to sin. God says that there is a social consequence to sin. God commands that we obey common law and the specific law of the land He has given us. Every civilized nation on earth requires that just punishment be meted out to those are violent and anti-social. There is a difference between 'fighting back' and taking defensive measures. God commands us to be meek AND wise in our dealings with the world. Please answer: Would you let your child spit in your face, just because he wanted to? If a man with a gun came to your home and shot dead your child, would you offer your wife to him next, or just leave your family altogether and run to the mountains? Would you like to go to the prisons and unconditionally release all the murderers and rapists and violent criminals? Please, don't qualify each answer with a long discourse about turning the other cheek or loving your enemy, just answer 'yes' or 'no.' If you answered 'yes' to these three questions, then the discussion is truly at an end. If you answered 'no' to all three, then maybe your 'theory' is not practical. Truly, *in the church* I will uphold every verse of Scripture that you quote. However, in dealing with an ever-escalating world of violence, it is irresponsible to just run to the mountains or ignore crime as if it were none of your business. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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8 | How do we open eyes to truth? | Deut 7:2 | jlpangilinan | 24561 | ||
I you suggest not to continue, its ok. One only thing I can sure to you, I did not change statement of others. I am truly use word in scriptures and not mine. What I post is those which are in the bible, and hope you can answer those in biblical. God bless, Johnny |
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9 | Do you understand me? | Deut 7:2 | charis | 24564 | ||
Johnny, I can't help but notice that you are not answering any of my questions to you, while demanding that I answer every one of your questions and debate every one of your assertions. My last post made some points that I would ask YOU to refute. I understand your aggressively pacifist stance. :-) Do you understand MY points at all? In Christ Jesus, charis |
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10 | Do you understand me? | Deut 7:2 | jlpangilinan | 24565 | ||
I decided not to continue, at least in this topic. Exchange of note is not that friendly anymore (in my own manisfestation) You post: Like do you grasp my word, do you hear that, Do you understand that! I am not participated in this forum to lose friends, as I mentioned what prove that I want for every reason is supported by passages. I am not hurt when someone call me arrogant(maybe offended if consider that if somebody that call u that is a fellow Christian) or whatsoever, but here in our place, you cannot say that in any moslims that they are arrogant and live long. That is why I'm embrace Christianity than Moslims. My mother was a moslim before and I am very thankful to my Dad that He converted my mom to a Christian believed. I am not saying that moslim (Islam) religion is wrong but I think it is not the right religion for me. I admit that maybe sometimes or many times I offended people elsewhere maybe here in this forum, that could be unintentional, and I am sorry for that. I love peace, war is too wide in our country, in Mindanao somebody would know that, and I dont like that. I dont like to be anger to anyone, not just because I am scared, NO, but I know it is not right. If I could not talk in this forum in a friendly manner,I understand that members of this forum is love Christianity. How could I love my enemies? How could I pray for them? How could I bless them? I really understand what do you mean, I am just looking if you can support your argument with passages, that only thing that I like, no nothing else. If you cannot so what? Are things changes because of that. My stand really if somebody has His reasons, supported it with passages. I think there is no wrong with that. See you in another topic. God bless, Johnny |
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11 | Do you understand me? | Deut 7:2 | charis | 24566 | ||
Dear Johnny, You have asked me for Scripture that speaks of the need to punish evildoers. I have stated often that it is common sense and submission to authority that speaks to us. These have been posted several times, and our colleague 'stjones' (aka Indiana Jones, aka yet-another-Steve) wrote of Romans 13:3-5 on November 22nd. Actually, the context, Romans 13:1-7 gives a broader picture. It is not a question of whether we, as Christians, should take vengeance and kill other people or not. No one, that I know of, is arguing FOR this. The question is whether God punishes evildoers through His agents, the earthly authorities He has set in place. Discipline and order are common sense, clearly spoken of in the Book of Proverbs. They are not the Law, or Old Testament only, they are the wisdom of God for all generations. "The king's favor is toward a servant who acts wisely, But his anger is toward him who acts shamefully." Proverbs 14:35 NASB Also, we find Jesus speaking about the wrath of a master toward an evil servant in Matthew 24:45-51. In any case, it is obvious that God requires us to be good and responsible citizens. Some may even serve in the military without becoming bloodthirsty warmongers. It is possible to 'serve the king' of your land without becoming evil, because God has given the king of a land authority to punish evildoers. I pray this is 'another topic.' In Christ Jesus, charis |
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