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NASB | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
Bible Question:
Brother Tim, Assumption? What does election mean? Didn't you read the verses I gave you in the last note? Primarily the N.T. verses? Especially the 1st and 2nd Thess. verses. The definition of election speaks for themselves. elect-to choose one or the other. How can one word be defined in Hebrew and Greek as a word and then stated that it really isn't what it says it is? Is everyone part of the elect? Judas Iscariot and the Pharaoh in Exodus chapter 4-14, are they among the elect? I don't think so Tim! :) Sola Scriptura Mike |
Bible Answer: Greetings Mike! I am going to have to wrap this up. All of these threads are simply going in circles now! :-) Allow me to explain what I mean. A word being used in a sentence does not necessarily define a word. For instance, John is called the Disciple that Jesus loved. Does that mean that John is the only disciple that Jesus loved? In the same way, because believers are called the Elect of God, does not tell us anything about the extent or method of election. How does one become on of the elect? The assumption of Calvinists is that election primarily refers to the unconditional election of individuals to salvation. But, no Scripture actually defines the term. Another way of looking at election is that election refers primarily to God's corporate working through nations to accomplish His purpose of mercy for all men. In this approach, people may become part of the Elect body of Christ. For instance, Rom. 11 seems to be an example of this. The group which is hardened and specifically said to not be part of the elect, is later said to be able to be grafted again if they do not continue in their unbelief. Now, I know how you will respond. I don't want to keep debating this never ending debate. I just want to encourage everyone to make a distinction between what Scripture actually says and what we assume that it means. I look forward to discussing other matters with you my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |