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NASB | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
Subject: Which proposition is scriptural? |
Bible Note: OK, but I really think you should expound the verses you cite rather than just list them. First, I don't see any connection between "1. God gives us freedom to choose and the ability to walk." and Rom 6:17, 18, 20. Second, regarding Rom 3:11, I did not say we seek a door that leads to God, I said "eventually, we come to a door that leads to Him." I hold that it is by grace that this door appears on our path. Third, regarding Rom 8:28-30, "Only those whom God foreknew will recieve His call and have the desire to enter in", what I said is very similar. "We cannot open the door ourselves, so He opens it for us". I don't see that this verse opposes what I said, in fact, I feel it supports it. Fourth, regarding Mark 13:20 and Eph 1:11, these verses support the idea that Jesus did what was necessary for us to be saved, for us to receive our inheritance as a result of being adopted into His family. That He chose us does not preclude the idea we must also choose Him. As I understand it, predestination is a plan, but not necessarily what happens when free agents are involved. Now, please explain how the verses you cited oppose my analogy or how they support the logical opposite of my analogy, as you suggested with the term "contradict". Thanks, Parable |