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NASB | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:16 ¶ "For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. |
Subject: THE CROSS |
Bible Note: Dear Tim You said that only the Arminian can produce verses to support their views. What an outrageous statement. When it comes down to exegesis, the Reformed position is the only one that stands SOLA SCRIPTURA, while the Arminian view must, by sheer necessity, import something into the text that is either outside Scripture or a blatant misuse of CONTEXT. You certainly do have your traditions, (emphasis on traditions) of which I used to hold as well until I was challenged to truly THINK about the issues at hand in light of ALL of Scripture. You all have your "Pet" proof-texts that have been consistently shown to be illogical or irrevelent given their own context (i.e. John 12:32), yet the heart of the issues never seem to be touched upon. Some of the questions you ask indicate that even though you say you know what Calvinist believe, one is left to wonder if that's really true. For example, "If God can draw some, why can't He draw all"? Now, don't you understand that it's not a matter of "CAN GOD" but rather "WILL GOD". I believe the DRAWING is directly related to SALVATION and you have shown me absolutely NOTHING for me to consider to the contrary. If you won't deal with John 6:35-45 within it's own context, and instead choose to quote John 12:32 from the hip, then please take the time to reconcile the FACT that those who are drawn are given eternal life (John 6:44). You see, there is nothing in John 12:32 to suggest that it is referring to salvation. In Christ, JIBBS |