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1 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 89883 | ||
Hank Did I ever say I knew it all? Nope. I'm absolutely willing to be taught and corrected. Are you?? I'm not here to point out anything about anyone. That's not my place, but I DO believe in TRUTH and so I disagree with your notion that these issues are eternally insignificant. I believe how we understand the Scriptures is eternally VITAL, in fact. So your admonition toward ecumenicalism, while I'm sure is well-intentioned, falls far short of honoring God and His truth. If standing up for the Word of God as ABSOLUTE truth is offensive to anyone, then I guess I'm just gonna be offensive to be around. If you can thoughtfully and convincingly show me I'm in error, then by the grace of God, I will flee darkness and embrace the light. But don't tell me light and darkness NEED to coexist. God, by His grace, has made the Scriptures alive to me, and has given me reason to be convinced that what I believe is true. He is perfect and so is His Word. There is nothing wrong with being right. Properly understanding the Word doesn't make someone lose the ability to "grow in the faith"! How absurd! If that's true, then none of us should concretely believe anything!! I think the two of us are diametrically opposed to each other in the most fundamental ways. I beleive Scripture plainly says something--you say I'm twisting it. You say Scripture plainly says something--I say you're ignoring context to support a presupposition. Who's right? Both of us? Let's let the cat out of the bag. You absolute HATE Calvinism and therefore refuse to seriously consider what we believe. You said it well yourself in "I turn him off". Talk about unwilling to be corrected! I want you to know I always listen to your arguments and give them due consideration in light of Scripture. Had I not had an open mind to listening to someone else, I too would still be an Arminian. P.S. Straw men examples like your "puppet" analogy show me once again that you don't have any idea what we believe. Perhaps I should "turn you off"???? IN Christ, JIBBS |
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2 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | Hank | 89914 | ||
JibbyJee: Friend, it makes no difference to me whether you "turn me off" or listen with rapt attention to my every word! As one who has been a Calvinist for 18 whole months, you are, I suppose, the world's foremost expert on Calvinism, Christian theology, and inerrant exegesis of Scripture. Since you know it all, and I by your own admission don't know beans about Calvinism -- my 35 years as an active member of a Calvinist/Reformed church notwithstanding -- I'm convinced that I have no ability to teach you or anyone else anything who already knows it all anyway. You observed that I absolutely HATE Calvinism. You're wrong. What I dislike intensely (hate is a strong word I'd rather not use) is the position of any Christian of any doctrinal persuasion who, like you, appears to know it all, to be right all the time, and to look upon any other view that differs from your own as being utterly and hopelessly wrong. Farewell. I want no more interchange with you or with anyone else who thinks as you do. --Hank | ||||||
3 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 89950 | ||
Hank Officially, I have only been a "Calvinist" for about 7 months now. I had previously basically believed the "reformed" way (unknowingly), although I've never gone to a Calvinistic church in my life. Of the 3 churches I've called home, all were very Arminian. But about 7 months ago a friend of mine challenged me on the issue of the scope of the atonement, something I had not previously considered in much depth, and I realized I was grossly inconsistent in my understanding of the Biblical doctrine of the atonement. So I conceded after many, many sleepless nights trying to reconcile Scripture with fleshly instinct. Instinct tells me I'm in control of my life, the Bible tells another story. Perhaps you've missed it in my previous posts, but I have frequently qualified my opinions as being open to debate and scrutiny. I'm as prone to being wrong as anyone! All I ask is for honest, intelligent discussion of the issues. That's it. But for some reason it's tougher than boiled owl to keep any discussions from getting convoluted and sidetracked. Questions are constantly ignored and dodged (although I'm sure not always on purpose) and it seems like very little consideration is made of the Calvinist position. If you want to go play somewhere else, that's fine with me, but the invitation stands open indefinitely for you to come chat with me in the future. I care about properly dividing the Word because it is a Biblical mandate. If I come across what I find to be incorrect teaching, I will ask questions. Maybe I'll help to correct the issue, or maybe I'll be corrected. Either way, truth will prevail. I don't always agree with you, but for the most part I've enjoyed the fellowship with you. Honestly, I sometimes feel like you are very disrespectful to others (especially Calvinists) and tend to speak in a condescending and pedantic tone. Perhaps we all tend to do that in a way. I think sometimes the naked words on the screen do little to convey the full impact of the intended message. Other times, let's fact it, you and I get frustrated with each other and break out the morter and hand grenades. It's expected, although I hope in the future, if we have future contact, we can be more patient and gentle with each other. But I can understand the desire to simply shake hands and go our seperate ways (I get to walk off into the sunset!!). Best wishes in the future Hank. In Christ, JIBBS 1 Cor. 12:13 |
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