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1 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | John Reformed | 89073 | ||
Dear Parable, This is difficult for me to say to a brother but it must be said. The problem, that I see, with your analogy is that it contradicted by Scripture. 1. God gives us freedom to choose and the ability to walk. Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, Rom 6:18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. Rom 6:20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 2. Eventually, we come to a door that leads to Him. Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; 3. We cannot open the door ourselves, so He opens it for us. Only those whom God foreknew will recieve His call and have the desire to enter in (Rom 8: 28-30) 4. So that our choice to be with Him (or not) can be meaningful, it must be genuinely ours and ours alone. Mark 13:20 "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, John |
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2 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Parable | 89078 | ||
I appreciate your desire to speak the truth in love and likewise wish to do so in all my conversations about our faith. I respond to your comments: "Contradiction" has a very specific meaning, i.e. to negate or oppose. If you are right, the opposite of my statements should be true. That is: 1. God does NOT give us freedom to choose NOR the ability to walk. 2. We NEVER come to a door that leads to Him. 3. We CAN open that door and He does NOT open it for us. and 4. Our choice to be with Him CANNOT be meaningful and that choice is NOT genuinely ours to make. I don't see how the verses you cite support these statements and I don't see any other places where the bible teaches them. Please explain. Parable. |
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3 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | John Reformed | 89089 | ||
Parable, Please address the Scripture, that appears to be odds with your analogy, first. Then we can exercise our human reason in the light of God's lamp. Thanks, John |
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4 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Parable | 89102 | ||
OK, but I really think you should expound the verses you cite rather than just list them. First, I don't see any connection between "1. God gives us freedom to choose and the ability to walk." and Rom 6:17, 18, 20. Second, regarding Rom 3:11, I did not say we seek a door that leads to God, I said "eventually, we come to a door that leads to Him." I hold that it is by grace that this door appears on our path. Third, regarding Rom 8:28-30, "Only those whom God foreknew will recieve His call and have the desire to enter in", what I said is very similar. "We cannot open the door ourselves, so He opens it for us". I don't see that this verse opposes what I said, in fact, I feel it supports it. Fourth, regarding Mark 13:20 and Eph 1:11, these verses support the idea that Jesus did what was necessary for us to be saved, for us to receive our inheritance as a result of being adopted into His family. That He chose us does not preclude the idea we must also choose Him. As I understand it, predestination is a plan, but not necessarily what happens when free agents are involved. Now, please explain how the verses you cited oppose my analogy or how they support the logical opposite of my analogy, as you suggested with the term "contradict". Thanks, Parable |
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5 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | nivlac5 | 89112 | ||
Who chose first? John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. Thess 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. Along with Romans and Ephesians, well the whole bible. It is clear who chooses first, God. Man is all to often wrapped in the sin of self autonomy and worships at the altar of free will, that he will not have a sovereign, omnipotent, God in his thought. May He quicken our hearts unto faith. Brad |
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6 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Parable | 89114 | ||
Nothing I have said is in conflict with the idea that God chose us. All I'm saying is we also chose Him. That we can choose to "worship at the altar of free will" is what makes choosing to worship God all the more meaningful to Him and to us. However, if you wish to believe that you have no free will, you are free to do so....but what genuine love can be offered by one who is controlled or manipulated by another? Isn't this exactly what Satan tries to do, manipulate us to love him instead of God? |
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7 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | nivlac5 | 89115 | ||
I certainly agree that we choose. The heart of issue is why do you choose? Is there something inherently righteous in you that you are willing to believe and joe smith isn't SeeEph 2:8-9.After all, does man seek God? Are there any righteous?Romans 1,2 say there is none. And if there were any righteous act or belief what does the Holy Writ say, Is 64:6"all our righteousness is like filthy rags" ponder Romans 9 Rom 9:10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; Rom 9:11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, Rom 9:12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER." Rom 9:13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! Rom 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Rom 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? Rom 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? Rom 9:23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, I would argue that scripture screams that God regenerates the heart unto faith and salvation. Eph 2:1,2,Ezek 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. So I agree, we become sons of God upon faith, but the faith is given to us and has its power in Christ. The last statement about satan, I agree, just flip it around. We by nature are children of wrath and are in good company with satan and I would argue that satan has convinced all too many that they are by nature "good" and seek to please and merit God's salvation of us. The scriptures speak of a different nature of man.By His Grace, Brad |
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8 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Parable | 89124 | ||
Regarding our nature, there is no doubt that we have a sin nature. Yet before there was sin, "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." - Genesis 1:27 Our first nature is a reflection of God, but because we are tarnished by sin, this image can only be brought forth by Christ when He cleanses us and gives us a new nature, the image of Himself. Romans 8:29 "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." Regarding the question of why some choose God and others don't, it seems clear those who reject God are casualties of the war against Satan and the forces of darkness. Eph 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." This is why we need the armor of God, Eph 6:10. Parable |
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