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1 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | John Reformed | 89068 | ||
Dear Pastor Glenn, Obviously, although I read and considered the verses which you supplied, to adress each one would be a task that would require more time than I am able to spend. But I think many of them were in support of your theme of "day of visitation" or "calling". You stated "Do men choose Christ? I say yes, but only after God calls us. I believe in the "day of visitation". The first verses that came to mind were Romans 8:28-30. "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified." Paul is saying that the ones which God calls are the ones that He justifies. If we take Paul literally (as I think we should in this case) he is saying that all who are called are saved! But, I would prefer to keep a narrow focus on my original question, if possible, and not get myself side-tracked into election or other like issues. Thanks Pastor, John |
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2 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Pastor Glenn | 89076 | ||
Hello again John, You said: "Paul is saying that the ones which God calls are the ones that He justifies. If we take Paul literally (as I think we should in this case) he is saying that all who are called are saved!" You came to an incomplete conclusion because you left out a piece of the scripture: "...those whom He foreknew, He also predestined ... and these whom He predestined, He also called ..." Notice the order of Romans 8:28-30: 1. He foreknew 2. He also predestined 3. He also called 4. He also justified 5. He also glorified "But, I would prefer to keep a narrow focus on my original question, if possible, and not get myself side-tracked into election or other like issues." No, it is not possible to "not get myself side-tracked into election" when you bring this scripture into the discussion. Foreknowledge (1) and predestination (2) are what Paul is building on here. So I would rewrite your conclusion as: "Paul is saying that the ones which God foreknew (1) are the ones that He justifies (4). If we take Paul literally (as I think we should in this case) he is saying that all who "He foreknew" are saved!" I believe in election by foreknowledge Pastor Glenn |
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3 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | John Reformed | 89082 | ||
Pastor, You said: "I believe in election by foreknowledge" Why? If "foreknew" simply means that... God knew ahead of time who would choose Him, that means we would have elected God. But the Bible says, we are His elect. Mark 13:27 "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect. As you know elected means chosen, as in "God's chosen people". John |
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4 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 89088 | ||
Greetings John! Where exactly is 'election' defined in Scripture? The reason I ask is that the word group 'elect', 'election', ect..., does not occur that frequently in Scripture. Further, nowhere does Scripture actually define the 'who', 'what, or 'how' of election. So, most of what is taught about it is assumption. It would be fun to go through Scripture and see what it actually says about election. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | John Reformed | 89090 | ||
Sorry Tim, For the time being I would prefer to focus on human inability. It is all to easy to wander all over the map and lose track of what the destination was at the outstart. Perhaps later. Bro. John |
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6 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 89096 | ||
Greetings John! Well, if you want to stick to the original point, I'm still waiting for that verse that says, 'Christ did not die for all men'! ;-) If I might add a personal note, doesn't it strike you as a bit odd that all the verses which I provided which say that Christ died for all cannot be Biblically true, but the statement that 'regeneration precedes faith' is Biblically true even though not one verse actually says that? In all honesty, this is the one thing I have found disappointing about this whole debate. I have made statements like 'Christ died for all men' and have actually provided Scriptures which say exactly what I said, but I'm wrong! ;-) But, the assumptions of Calvinism are Biblical truth, even though not one Scripture actually states these assumptions! :-( How does one come to a conclusion in such a debate? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Which proposition is scriptural? | John 3:16 | Parable | 89116 | ||
I believe that Dr. Gregory Boyd has a pretty good answer to this debate in his book "Satan and the Problem of Evil: Constructing a Trinitarian Warfare Theodicy". Boyd's theodicy is founded upon the Bible and is derived from a comprehensive understanding of scripture, sound reasoning, practical experience and objective examination of many philosophical attempts to explain the problem of evil in a world created by a holy, loving and all-powerful God. For those who seek a cogent, compelling, logical and practical treatment of the biblical worldview, this book is a "must-read". |
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