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1 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 88015 | ||
Greetings JibbyJee! I agree with everything you say my friend until you get to the part about Christ not dying for all! ;-) You asked: " Now as far as a verse that specifically uses the exact phrase you demand, you're right is saying it doesn't exist. But that doesn't mean the doctrine is not implied by the whole text of Scripture. For example, the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible. Do you believe in the Trinity? Why?" The word 'Trinity' is a label identifying a particular belief. The belief is that there is only One God, but three distinct Person who are that one God. There are plenty of verses which specifically say that there is only one God. There are also plenty of verses which say that Jesus is God and that the Holy Spirit is God. That is why I believe in the Trinity. So, the comparison doesn't work. There isn't any verse which says that Christ did not die for all men, but there are plenty of verses which say that He did. So, I'll stand on them my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88367 | ||
Hi Tim! Good to see you back. Hope the move went smoothly for ya. Although your response gave me a hearty chuckle, I must admit it was only because I have come to expect a bit more from you. My concluding paragraph about the Trinity was actually a rhetorical question that had very little to do with the meat of my post, yet you chose it to reply it instead of some of the other questions that I asked about Arminianism. I know you've heard all the arguments against the Arminian interpretation of verses that teach that Christ died to make salvation possible for "ALL", so I won't go there with you again. But please, with sugar on top, answer some of the other questions I asked, these specifically: 1. Did Christ INTEND to save ALL men on the Cross? 2. If Christ paid for ALL sins of ALL men throughout ALL the Earth, on what basis are we judged? 3. (Regarding #2) Is unbelief a sin? 4. What was in you that caused you to believe, that wasn't in those who "reject" the Gospel? If I don't talk to you later tonight, have a safe 4th!! Your brother in Christ, Jibbs |
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3 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 88416 | ||
Greetings JibbyJee! I’m sorry I disappointed you my friend! I can only offer two excuses for myself. First of all, I’ve been very busy. Secondly, I thought that I had covered most of these questions in other posts. But, I will try to address your questions. 1) Did Christ intend to save all? This is a familiar tactic. The charge is made that God cannot fail, so if He died for all, all must be saved. But, neither Calvinists nor Arminians believe that everyone was ‘saved’ the moment Christ died on the cross. Both Calvinists and Arminians believe that there must be a faith response to God’s grace. So, this question really has nothing to do with the topic at hand unless you are prepared to say that the ‘elect’ are saved prior to ‘hearing, believing, confessing, repenting, ect…”. 2) On what basis are we judged? The atonement is the objective act of God on our behalf. But, there are many Scriptures which indicate that this gift of grace must be received. So, anyone who does not receive God’s gift of grace is judged on the basis of their sin. 3) Is unbelief a sin? Yes! Rom. 11:20, Rom. 11:23, Heb. 3:12, and Heb. 3:19 would all seem to indicate that unbelief is a sin. 4) What is the difference between those who accept and those who reject? My choice! Why people make the choices they do is somewhat of a mystery. Children brought up in the same home, and the same environment can turn out totally different. Not every sinner is as sinful as they could possibly be. Why not? We all make different choices. Usually, when I hear this objection, I imagine that the complaint is really that by choosing, I have someone earned my salvation. But, since when, did the acceptance of a gift turn the gift into a wage? We could debate on and one about the different views over these topics. But, my argument along has been a pretty simple one. I understand the theological reasons why you believe the way you do, I just don’t see any clear Scriptures which back it up. In contrast, I see many clear statements which say that Christ did in fact die for all. So, why would I change the clear meaning of those verses, when there isn’t any textual reason to so, but only theological ones? Thanks for the well wishes. We are just about moved in now. I am still waiting for my new bed though! :-( Hopefully, we can chat more in the future my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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