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NASB | 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world. |
Subject: Receive? |
Bible Note: Dear Tim, Your reponse implies that both you and I are intractable. Two guys that have their minds made up and that's that. I admit to being a stubborn person, however I am no match for the Holy Spirit! I've always been a person with strongly held convictions and have been skeptical (to put it mildly) about views in opposition to my own. That is, in part, why I hold to God's Soverign Grace vs Free Will. I was raised Roman Catholic; Abandoned catholisim at the age of 12. Lived for the devil til I was 30; Became a Diest and created a god as I understood him. At the age of 35 a friend of my father's presented the Gospel to me one sunny day beside a lake. I was impressed with his knowledge of the Bible, but unimpressed with his claim concerning Christ. I enjoyed the conversation but felt no compulsion to place myself under the authority of organized religion. That same afternoon, in the privacy of my bedroom, I asked Jesus to be my saviour! For years afterward, I felt that I had made a decision (or choice, if you prefer) to accept Christ as my Lord. I just was'nt to clear on how I had arrived at it. How did such a radical change in my thinking take place? I don't recall having weighed the arguements, or evaluated the benefits. Faith just seemed to have happend (Of course, now I know "faith comes from hearing the word of Christ"). Halleluia! Jesus is Lord!!! I could'nt wait to tell the Gospel to everyone. Family, friends and strangers alike. I was on fire for Jesus, I was filled with joy just anticipating their happy reception of the Good News. You've probablly been there and done that yourself. I was flabbergasted by their pitying looks and their warnings about my "reigious notions". It reminds me of Christian's reception by his family and frinds in "The Pilgrim's Progress". At any rate I was dumbfounded. Why me, when so many others deseved this blessing far more than I did? In fact most Christians I know believe that Christ just overwhelmed them. They give no credit to themselves. Tim, I bet (that is if, I was a betting man) that you feel exactly the same way. Don't you? I know that personal testimony and annecdotal evidence is not definitive proof. It is subjective and fallible. We have worn a hole in our mousepads copying and pasting scripture to one another. But rememember the Samaritan women at the well? What did she do (God bless her heart)? John 4:39 From that city many of the Samaritans believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, "He told me all the things that I have done." If you do not wish to pursue our dicussion to the end, I would not hold it against you. But I would be disappointed. I presented you with a pair of questions that at one time I could not answer scriptualy (at least not from an arminian perspective). That does not mean that you can't answer them. Does it? God Bless Tim, Your Brother John |