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NASB | 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world. |
Subject: How do you respond to these passages? |
Bible Note: Tim: You wrote, "May I point out that every time you deal with a passage that says "all" or the "world", your objection is based upon your theology, not upon the text itself. 2 Cor. 5:11-20 simply does not make any sense under Calvinism, but it makes perfect sense under Arminianism. Our reconciliation is an accomplished objective fact at the cross (God was reconciling the world to Himself), but we must accept God's gift (and be reconciled.)" Actually, I used to hold a view similar to yours, so my adoption of Calvinist theology was based in part on the fact that ALL are obviously not saved, and therefore reconciliation is not an "accomplished objective" for all human beings. In addition, I do not conclude as you do that the other passages we previously have discussed reveal a "nations" view, rather than an "individual" view on election, unless one pre-supposes an Arminian free-willism. Actually, the more troubling thing about 2 Corinthians 5:19 for me is that the "Be reconciled" command seems to be directed toward those who are believers already (i.e. already "reconciled" in a salvific sense). Why do you think Paul would tell the saints to "be reconciled"? --Joe! |