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NASB | 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world. |
Subject: Receive? |
Bible Note: Dear Tim, I did'nt have time to respond fully to this post and I hope you don't think I'm trying to resurrect my question about those who never have heard the Gospel. Your verses (a-i) have no relavency (at least none that I can fathom) to The first part of my question: "What about the native in Africa who never even heard of Christ?". Your answer lists a)Rebekah b)Jethro c)Asa, The tribes of Judah and Benjamin d)Jehoshaphat (who in this verse is commended for not seeking the Baals)etc. etc. I know you have been busy and have grown weary of the topic. But Tim, the proof texts you offered have proved nothing relative to my question! I know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you cannot offer any scriptual proof in response to what happens to those who never heard the Gospel. I'm as sure of it as I am sure that Dr. Giesler is an arminian! (I'm not being mean, I'm just being emphatic). The promise is to Abraham and His seed. Not to the fleshy seed but to the spiritual seed. Not to Ishmael but to Iassac; Not to Esau but to Jacob; Not to National Israel but to the Remnant; Not to the entire world but to those who believe, Not to the reprobate but to the elect. I see the Bible as God's revelation to His chosen people. In it we find who made the universe, why it was made, who we are, what we are, where we are going and who we are and in what manner we are to worship. In it He has graciouly disclosed to us His eternal purpose. How we have been His for all eternity. We were chosen in Christ from before the founding of the world. God does not peer into the future to find out who (if any) will take up His offer! He knows the beginning from the end and He knows it certainly, because He predetermined every thing that has and will, for all eternity, take place. I truly believe that a comprehensive appreciation of the nature and attributes of God are indispensible to rightly divide His Word. If I'm not tickled pink with everything that God has done, tough! I brief reflection on His Holiness and my filthiness, will soon enough send me to my knees asking forgiveness for my lack of trust in His righteous judgements. There is much more I could say, but if you do not want to hear it, I'll buton my lips (lot'sa folks wish I had a button on my lips for real). Maybe they have a point? But they'll have to prove it from scripture. Your Brother John |