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NASB | 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world. |
Bible Question:
Greetings Y'all: There have been several threads deaing with the extent of the atonment. Rather than rehasing all of those discussions, I would like to propose something different. A limited discussion on 1 John 2:2. Personally, I think the best way to debate an issue like this is to deal with a limited number of verses. Since I proposed this, I will start first. Here is my take on 1 John 2:2. The question concerning the extent of the atonement is simply this: Did Christ atone for all or only the elect? Many verses, which seem to indicate that Christ died for all, can be interpreted in such a way as to limit the extent of the word 'all.' However, 1 John 2:2 seems to be perfectly clear. There is a contrast here between believers (our sins) and unbelievers (the whole world). Christ is the propitation for all sin. Now, what does it mean that Christ is the propitation for all sin? The word 'hilasmos' is only used twice in the New Testament (Here and in 1 John 4:10). It signifies a turning a way of God's wrath by an offering. The entire ministry of Christ is signified by this word in 1 John 4:10. The gift of salvation in Romans 3:25 is described using a related word 'hilasterion.' This same word ('hilasterion') is used in Heb. 2:17 to refer to the priestly ministry of Christ. In my opinion, this verse is decisive. Christ died for the sins of everyone. The Cross is the one and only act of atonement for all men and for all sin. I don't see anyway, in light of this verse, that one can argue that Christ only died for the elect. p.s. - A note for all those who respond. Unless one is dealing with heresy, I view debate as an opportunity to sharpen our understanding of Scripture. By interacting with one another, we can see how others view Scripture, consider other points of view, and sharpen our ability to deal with objections to our viewpoints. We may never agree with each other, but I can live with that! God Bless, Tim Moran |
Bible Answer: Morant61, First of all, I really appreciate anyone truly desiring to discuss this issue with an honest and open attitude. However, if you wish to entertain this discussion with only a limited use of scripture, I would say this can prove to be a fruitless effort when you want to limit it to the verses only "you" want us to use. That's like stacking the deck in your favor. Secondly, did Christ die for the sins of all humans or for all humans who sin? There is a big difference. 1 John 2:2 does not say Christ died for all humans, it says He died for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 4:10 also does not say Christ died for all humans, it says He died for "our" sins. If you force the term "whole world" to refer to "all humans", then that reasoning and 1 John 2:2 demands a strict and literal agreement with John 10:11 where John said Christ died for His "sheep". That would imply that all humans are Christ's sheep. The same writer would not contradict himself at 1 John 2:2 with what he said at John 10:11. John again states that Christ laid down His life for His sheep in verse 15. It is not a matter of what "seems" to be clear, it is a very distinct fact that for whomever Christ died, they are referred to as His sheep. John also makes it crystal clear that those who do not believe are so because they are not Christ's sheep. Now, since Christ laid down His life for His sheep, what does that say about those who are "not" His sheep? Romans 3:25 does not say anything whatsoever about for whom Christ died but, rather, for what He died and that would be sins. If we are going to be restricted to what verses we can observe, then the verses we observe must be viewed correctly in light of what they actually say. Sam Hughey |