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NASB | 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world. |
Subject: Receive? |
Bible Note: Greetings John! Thanks for the response! I understand about the time pressures! :-) You concluded from your quotes: "There are many other verses that support the total inability of man to will that which is pleasing to God. You will also note the the verses I chose are didactic. The meaning does not need to be deduced. they are clear in themselves." Yet, not one of the verses you quoted said that man is unable to will that which is pleasing to God! They simply state that we are spiritually dead! However, spiritually dead doesn't mean unable to hear God or respond to Him. For instance, Norman Geisler in his book, "Chosen But Free: A Balanced Vew of Divine Election" makes the following point: "Second, even though they are spritually 'dead,' th unsaved persons can perceive the truth of God. In Romans, Paul declares emphatically that God's truth is 'clearly seen' by them so that they are 'without ecuse' (1:2). Adam and Eve were spiritually 'dead' after they at the forbidden fruit. Yt hey could hear the voice of God and rsponded to Him (Gen. 3:10). And this was not merely a hearing of the tangible sounds. Their reaction reveals that the understood the meaning of the words." (p. 59). These words are even coming from a Calvinist! I showed you numerous verses where people sought God, so how is it a leap to say that people can respond to God's gracious offer of salvation? In fact, Rom. 5:17b even says that those who "...receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ." We agree that sin is universal (extending to all men) and extensive (effecting every part of man), but Scripture doesn't teach that sin is intensive (totally destroying the image of God in man). Man still has a conscience. Man still understands the difference between right and wrong. Man still feels guilt. Man sometimes does what is right. Man isn't as evil as he possibly could be, else everyone would be a Hitler. Well, I've got to go! I'll chat with you later my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |