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NASB | 1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 2:2 And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature--our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world. |
Subject: How do you respond to these passages? |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! 1) Accomplished objective fact: I understand where you are coming from. I just disagree with your conclusion that an unlimited atonement must necessarily mean that all will be saved. This is a good illustration of why some doctrines are difficult to discuss. You and I have slightely different baggage attached to words and don't always see word meanings in the same light. But, this is why we communicate! 2) Concerning the issue of nations. Just a slight clarification and challenge. I don't see Romans 9-11 and Ephesians 1 as dealing with the election of nations. I see them dealing with the issue of corporate election in Christ. The nations issue is an example of how God's purpose of election is carried out. Romans 9 is (in my view) an argument for God's sovereign right to include anyone He wishes into the elect body of Israel. Here is my challenge: I can understand that some might accuse me of interpreting Romans 9 in this way simply because of my theological bias. In my view, it is demanded by the text. So, here is my challenge (or question): Why do all the quotes used from the Old Testament in Romans 9 deal with God's choice of and use of nations, and not individuals? Look at each quote used in Romans 9 and see if in it's original context the quotes referred to individuals or nations! 3) Concerning 2 Cor 5:20: I appreciate your honesty here. No matter which way you look at this verse (Calvinism or Arminianism), I don't think it is addressed to Paul's audience. Rather, I think it is a summary of the message of reconciliation that Paul preaches to the world. The same message that all of us who are compeled by the love of Christ should be preaching. (This would be a great verse for your teens on their missions trip!) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |