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1 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | New Creature | 180755 | ||
I love the following comment an individual by the name of Georgius made concerning 1 John 2:2 "Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world; and hence those who wish to exclude the reprobate from participation in Christ must place them outside the world." |
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2 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | DocTrinsograce | 180763 | ||
Dear New Creature, Georgius, a Roman Catholic monk, was strident in his criticism and anathema of all things Protestant. To this very quote you cited, John Calvin responded as follows: "For this, the common solution does not avail, that Christ suffered sufficiently for all, but efficaciously only for the elect. By this great absurdity, this monk [Georgius] has sought applause in his own fraternity, but it has no weight with me. Wherever the faithful are dispersed throughout the world, John (1 John 2:2) extends to them the expiation wrought by Christ's death. But this does not alter the fact that the reprobate are mixed up with the elect in the world. It is incontestable that Christ came for the expiation of the sins of the whole world. But the solution lies close at hand, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but should have eternal life (John 3:15). For the present question is not how great the power of Christ is or what efficacy it has in itself, but to whom He gives Himself to be enjoyed. If possession lies in faith and faith emanates from the Spirit of adoption, it follows that only he is reckoned in the number of God's children who will be a partaker of Christ. The evangelist John sets forth the office of Christ as nothing else than by His death to gather the children of God into one (John 11:52). Hence, we conclude that, though reconciliation is offered to all through Him, yet the benefit is peculiar to the elect, that they may be gathered into the society of life. However, while I say it is offered to all, I do not mean that this embassy, by which on Paul's testimony (2 Corinthians 5:18) God reconciles the world to Himself, reaches to all, but that it is not sealed indiscriminately on the hearts of all to whom it comes so as to be effectual." One of the pillars of the Reformation asserts that sound doctrine rests in the Scripture alone. The Scripture is our sole authority -- nothing else. To the degree that such men as Georgius and Calvin base their teaching in the Word of God is the degree to which we may consider them authoritative. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | New Creature | 180781 | ||
Hi Doc; Without turning this into a long drawn out argument, let me just state that while I don't know much about Georgius and what else he may have believed, I don't find any fault in his comment on 1 John 2:2. And I'll leave it at that. I posted his comment on that verse for Tim, knowing he most likely would appreciate it as much as I did. But Tim can speak for himself. Blessings NC |
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4 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | DocTrinsograce | 180782 | ||
Dear New, I am not worried for you or Tim. The one needing the voice was history! ;-) Georgius and Calvin are no longer available for comment. However, their debate was an open one -- at least open to Protestant populations -- so I thought it robbery to fail to offer that same openness that the debate enjoyed when it was new. I also thought it was fair for people to know from whence Georgius derived the authority for his statement. (He wouldn't have joined the SBF.) Yes, your interpretation of 1 John 2:2 has become quite popular over the years. With the passage of time, many of the Reformation principles for sound hermeneutics have vanished from the popular pulpit. If your particular opinion on the matter holds weight, then let me give voice to the opposing opinion. Bringing more Scriptural light to bear on the question, and letting both voices be heard, gives a fairness -- albeit a Protestant fairness -- and balance to the discussion for those who might not have the benefit to knowing "the rest of the story." :-) Now that the balance has been restored, shall we leave this 5 year old thread, letting it return in peace to the musty archives from which you disturbed it slumber? ;-) In Him, Doc |
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5 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | New Creature | 180784 | ||
Even though the thread is 5 years old to you, it was new to me. I just now got around to reading it. Is there a rule against commenting on older threads? If I were to use your logic about "not disturbing musty archives" then I would also need to leave the Bible and all that is contained in it undisturbed as well, since it's archives are much older and mustier. Blessings NC |
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6 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | DocTrinsograce | 180785 | ||
No such rule, convention, or "logic" (sic) exists. Nor did I advocate such. :-) Starting a new thread, though, will allow current forum members to participate. Half the folks in this old thread aren't around to offer you an answer! Of course, they will render the least resistance in your polemic. :-) |
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7 | Did Christ die for the world? | 1 John 2:2 | New Creature | 180786 | ||
Thanks Doc Your comment brings to my attention the fact that newer members who didn't participate in the original discussion, may have some new insight or comment of interest that might be worthy of consideration. Blessings NC |
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