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1 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | Praise Be To God | 136147 | ||
Kalos, I appreciate you going to all the trouble of getting these articles which talk about God "always" healing, but I did not say that God always heals. I said healing is AVAILABLE through Christ's atonement. Just because some doctor says that there is no physical healing in the atonement, that does not mean that he is right. I know differently. God reached down and healed me! I am not making it up. Love in Christ, Janae. |
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2 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | kalos | 136148 | ||
For I am the Lord that healeth thee. Exodus 15:26b (KJV) Janae: I, too, know that God heals. That's His Name, "I am the Lord that healeth thee." Yahweh Rophe ("The Lord who heals," Exod 15:26; compare Psalm 103:3). Grace and peace to you, Kalos |
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3 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | Praise Be To God | 136149 | ||
Dear Kalos, Praise Be To God! Yes, He is the Healer, PRAISE HIS NAME! But why do you put forth articles to the contrary? Janae. |
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4 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | EdB | 136151 | ||
Janae Let me jump in for just a moment. There is very fine line here that seems to be getting lost. If we say “salvation is in the atonement” we would be correct and we know and scripture does say that very one that accepts Jesus Christ as the atonement for their sin is in fact saved. However if we say “physical healing is the in the atonement” we would be incorrect since again we know and scripture does not say every believer is healed. If we say “God heals” that would be correct since we know and scripture says God does heal. By saying healing is provided for in the atonement you taking something that may happen (healing) to something that always happens (salvation) and that is where the problem comes in. God has told us He is our Great Physician, scripture calls Him the God that healtheth thee. There is no doubt that God does heal. Also there is no doubt that because of the work of Jesus on the Cross that we will live one day sickness free. However that day has not arrived and to try to relate our situation today to the atonement actually casts doubt on the promises that the atonement does make. Let me say it this way, if both healing and salvation were in the atonement and we see some that come to Jesus never healed does that not put a shadow of doubt on our salvation also? It would and does! And that is why it is so important to say exactly with the Bible says. Our salvation is in the atonement but immediate physical healing is not. Again that is not to say healing does not occur it just says healing in this age was not promised to everyone that comes to Christ. A fine line but a line nevertheless. EdB |
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5 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | Praise Be To God | 136153 | ||
Dear EdB: See, here is where we differ, also. For I believe that one can lose his salvation. Not that God would take it away, but that one can pull himself away from God and lose his salvation. Salvation is provided for in the atonement, but it can be lost. I know you believe "once saved, always saved," but I do not believe that. Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 19:16-26 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Mark 9:42-48 (Jesus, talking to the Disciples) 42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Luke 6:46-49 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. I have many more scriptures to show that salvation can be lost. Maybe we had better agree to disagree. Janae. |
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6 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | EdB | 136156 | ||
Janae As a matter of fact I don't believe in "once saved always saved." But that is not the point of my last post to you. If as you say "healing is in the atonement" and not just provided for as I say, there is a question as to why everyone that gets saved doesn't also get healed. I say the healing is a gift of God and we should ask for it and if it be God's will then it will be manifested. If not I know in eternity I will be healed and live sickness free. Remember God offered sickness free livingi to the children of Israel before the cross Deut 8:13-15. And apparently natural man in the New Heaven and New Earth will still require the leaves of the tree of life to live to sickness free. Rev. 22:2 The only point I'm trying to make here is the problem with trying to connect physical healing today with the cross. Healing is provided for in the new covenant it is called a gift, but it wasn't promised in the atonement. That is the point everyone is trying to make here, by saying helaing is provided in the atonement is adding to scripture. Scripture clearly says healing is valid and should be something we seek. But scripture does not say it is a condition of the atonement and guaranteed. |
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7 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | Praise Be To God | 136161 | ||
I apologize for lumping everybody in together and thinking you all believe "once saved, always saved." You say healing is a gift. Salvation is a gift, too. Sickness and disease are consequences of the fall. The provision of Christ's atonement was complete and adequate for redeeming the whole person--spirit, soul, and body. I do not see how claiming physical healing was provided for at the Cross is adding to scripture. Please explain. Thank you. Janae. |
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8 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | EdB | 136190 | ||
Janae You said, "I do not see how claiming physical healing was provided for at the Cross is adding to scripture. Please explain." Can you show me anywhere in the scripture that says physical healing for this generation is provided in the cross? The healing of the cross is the promise of no more death no more tears of Rev 21:4. Again healing is described as a gift in I Cor 12:9. James said if there is any sick among you, you should call for the elders and they should anoint you and prayer of faith will restore you. James 5:13. Notice it doesn't say claim your healing. Now I'm not minimizing faith or the need for faith, nor am I minimizing a positive attitude or the need for it. Nor am I minimizing the work of the cross or our potential to receive healing. I'm simply stating that it is a fact that Is 53:5 is talking about spiritual healing, that God does heal but that there is no guarantee that if we trust in Christ we will receive both physical healing in this present age and salvation. If physical healing for generation was promised in the atonement then every one that came to Christ would receive healing. There is no scripture that says we receive part of what is provided for in the atonement. We get it all. And guaranteed physical healing for this generation isn’t part of the all. Now before you respond any further, provide scripture that clearly states physical healing is provided for in the atonement. EdB |
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9 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | Praise Be To God | 136288 | ||
(1)Isaiah 53:4, 5; Matthew 8:16,17 and James 5:14-16, show that physical healing for ANY generation is provided at the cross. I was prayed for and God healed me--I didn't just "claim" I was healed. Claiming my healing means that I hold onto my healing and don't let Satan take it from me. A lot of times when people are healed, Satan will come and try to tell you that you are not healed, but by "claiming" your healing, you hold onto it and don't let Satan take it away from you. | ||||||
10 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | EdB | 136332 | ||
Janae Nobody and especially not me are disputing the fact you were healed, or that healing isn't available today. The fact I'm disputing is healing was tied to the cross. However healing was available before and after the cross. Our physical healing in this age is not tied to the cross. And no scripture ties it to the cross. EdB |
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11 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | Praise Be To God | 136340 | ||
You are entitled to your opinion. | ||||||
12 | claiming things in your life | Is 53:5 | EdB | 136355 | ||
It is not just opinion it is a fact. Nothing in the scripture states physical healing for the present age was accomplished at the cross. To say otherwise is adding to scripture. EdB |
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