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1 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 33816 | ||
Dino "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" (Matthew 27:46) is a referral back to Psalm 22. Psalm 22 portrays the suffering Messiah the Jews refused to see. Jesus was once more in compassion (grace) giving one last teaching on who He was. He was saying, “guys can't you see this is exactly what the Psalmist and prophets have been talking about?” Somehow that got turned around that God had forsaken Him. Does God forsake you when you were in sin? No! He sent His only Son so you could be delivered from sin. Did God forsake David when David sinned with Bathsheba? No! He sent the prophet Nathan to call him into correction. Why do we want to believe he forsook His Son? Because we didn't see/understand the connection between Psalm 22 and what Jesus said. Also there is a the teaching God can’t see sin. Satan the personification of sin goes into God's presence to accuse us. That is why our mediator Jesus sits at God's right hand to make intercession for us. God and Jesus are one, for one to be separated from the other, would be for one to be separated from itself. Jesus died physically and this is what the scriptures refer. Never has one died and brought HIMSELF back to life. He returned from the death by His own power thus proving once and for all who had power of death. Your right you did not say anything about a wrestling match, and for that I apologize. That is what I read (read into) the website you had referenced. Please accept my most humble apology, but that website is still theological junk. EdB |
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2 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | wak | 33837 | ||
ED I'd have to disagree with your interpretation Of "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me". Christ must have went went thru terrible emotional(so to speak) suffering... and I think his words reflects that. The actual physical suffering of a cross has been replicated by man. There had to be much more to his suffering. I think his Words indicate ultimate suffering. We have to be very careful not to dilute their raw power. God does not forsake us, but we have to deal with his distance... and that IS suffering. WAK |
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3 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 33849 | ||
WAK At first glance, I would almost agree with what you are saying. However, if Jesus did say this for the reasons you stated - it would demonstrate an imperfection in the relationship between God and Jesus. Instead, by quoting Scripture (Psalm 22), it demonstrated the ultimate perfection in the relationship of God and Jesus. Brian |
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4 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 33872 | ||
Brian Your exactly right, men not making the connection to Psalm 22 have explained what Jesus said using flawed human reasoning. By doing so they made jesus flawed. Thus we know the explanation has to be wrong. When we read Psalm 22 and see Jesus referring to it, in a way that would mean something to those that truly sought God, we see Jesus wasn't questioning His relationship with God but bringing conviction upon those that called for His death. Notice also how He did it at the very end so there was no way for them to interfere when they did make the connection. Jesus knew He had to die. This was an act of love not an act of a lack of faith. EdB |
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5 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | wak | 33879 | ||
Brian and Ed Do you think Christ was at peace on the cross??? I alsays viewed his last words as suffering greatly until ultimate victory, like Psalms22 |
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6 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 33898 | ||
WAK I do not think He was necessarily at peace but He was in control. "No takes my life I give it willingly", as the song goes. Don't forget He was 100 percent human besides being 100 percent God, I'm sure the human side was enduring great suffering while the God side felt great rejection. However both God and man were still trying to reach out to man. I believe these last words was yet one last attempt to convince man of His divinity. We must remember we are not saved by His suffering we are saved by his blood poured out for us in the New Covenant. EdB |
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