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1 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Dino Bencini | 33822 | ||
Edb, We going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but Jesus said what he said. Now i'm not accusing you here but if any one is turning anything around it is you, think about what you just said. Anyway my friend I have to go and want to go spend some time with my wife and kids with takeaways and videos. Just one note before I go, we can both ask God for revelation knowledge of Jesus it doesn't hurt but I pray you do that because thats what I'll do. God bless you cheers |
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2 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 33874 | ||
Dino Okay disagree but reread psalm 22, then think about what Jesus did and said, and what happened next. Then find in the scriptures where is says just When we need God the most is when God deserts us. Then think about the trinity Jesus and God as one, then think about how hard it is to separate yourself from yourself. Then ask yourself if Jesus had had so little divinity that He questioned what God was doing. Dino I think your study will take you to a point that clearly says man got it wrong and just because it is repeated over and over that doesn't make it right. Jesus was in total control of the situation (he was God) and in control he took this last opportunity to soften the hearts of the Jew. Many feel it was Peter's great preaching on the day of Pentecost that brought 5000 to the Lord I believe it was the message Jesus preached on the cross right before he died that brought those in. Of course Peter may have reminded them just once more they had in fact crucified Christ :-) EdB |
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3 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Dino Bencini | 33930 | ||
I have heard what you said, I feel that only the holyspirit leads people to Christ, the day of penticost is evedence of this not who preaches. I do believe that sin can seperate us from God thats why thier is no sin in heaven and why satan had to be cast out of heaven. If Jesus bore our sin on the cross then he had to go through a time of being cut off from God. Please I don't want to continue with this topic we can gain so much more if we move on with him, he has so many more things he has yet to reveal to us, that will be very benificial to our time here on earth. |
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4 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 33947 | ||
Dino We know man was cut off/separated from God by sin. However under the Mosaic practice of offering a sacrifice for sin, the offering wasn't cut off when it became sin but was rather accepted by God, it's offering became a sweet aroma before the throne of God. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice how much more should He be accepted. If man was cut off from God because of sin shouldn’t Christ when he became sin? I agree the logical answer would seem to be yes. However, human logic does not stand well in the light of the trinity. Jesus was God, for Jesus to died both physically and spiritually would mean that God would have died. This phrase was originally spoken by David, at a time in his life when he was facing great despair. It was if God had forsaken him, yet had God? No! God was even closer to David than before, calling David into repentance, into a closer relationship. If Jesus spoke out the phrase in question at the time of His death because He felt God’s presence leave Him, would He not be questioning God? For Him to be questioning God two things would have to be true. First Jesus, who as God knew everything, was surprised or at least was caught un-expecting the action of God. Secondly Jesus felt questioning God was acceptable. The phrase Jesus spoke was the beginning of Psalm 22. Psalm 22 just happens to describe in great detail exactly the crucifixion of the Messiah, what was taking place before their very eyes. The Jews were still in denial, Jesus was providing one more clue, giving one more proof of who he was. Rather as seeing this as Jesus questioning the actions of God, can it not be seen as a one more attempt of Jesus to soften the heart of man? I readily admit I don’t understand or comprehend all the typeology, all the spiritual meaning, and all the dynamics that were involved at the cross. But to my mind for Christ to die spiritually would have meant God died. Of this I’m certain what transpired that day on the cross made it possible for you and me to enter heaven as sons of the Most Holy God. What took place that day was our salvation, forgiveness and cleansing from sin. Jesus allowed his blood to be poured out for the New Covenant. That all who believed in Him would not die but would have eternal life. I agree we should cease this discussion as we have taken it as far as it can go. I pray I have given you things to think about, as you have me. I pray this discussion has made our faith and our conviction the Jesus died for our sins that much stronger. Be blessed and be a blessing EdB |
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5 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Dino Bencini | 33959 | ||
Ok I have read what you said and also Psalms 22 and I have some things for you to consider. 1. You cannot physically understand how God and Jesus are one, to the physical brain this is impossible. Therefore you cannot make the statement "Christ to die spiritually would have meant God died". I dissagree with this statement. Also because I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, eg Romans 10:9 - "that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from among [the] dead, thou shalt be saved." 2. A lot of the old testiment foreshadows Jesus dying on the cross, take Isaac for instance. My friend, thankyou for spending this time with me, I will talk to others that I consider to have a close walk with God and see what they have to say. But for now lets just be happy that we're both going to heaven, and move on to some new things that God wants to share with us. Regards Dino |
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