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1 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 32858 | ||
Yes, I personally believe that we have free will after we become saved. We still sin don't we? So if we say that we don't have free will after becoming saved, we would have to conclude that God does our sinning for us after we are saved. And we know that is NOT the case. We choose to sin even after being saved. Again I repeat, God does NOT take away our free will once we are saved | ||||||
2 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Curtnsally | 33432 | ||
Brother Zach I dont know if you have been following some of the other discussions on free will, but let me muddy things up a bit. Consider these verses: Romans 9 9 For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son." 10 Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Watch this... 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. Seems to say that Esau did not self-select. or this... Romans 8 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will. 28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Seems to say that we could not make the right choice without intercession by the Spirit. or this... Romans 11 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Seems to say God will save ALL of Israel in spite of their bad free-will choice, based on His election and promise to Abraham et al. If the concept of "unequal grace" seems unfair, read Matthew 20:1-15. Scripture to think on... your thoughts? Blessings Curt |
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3 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 33450 | ||
Greetings Curt! If you go to Rom 9:10 (on the forum), you will see a thread entitled Jacob and Esau. It was a thread that I began a while back. It approaches this text from an Arminian perspective. If you don't have time to read all of that, my short version is as follows. The election in Rom. 9-11 (in my opinion) is national, not individual, and leads up to God's express purpose to have mercy on all. Let me know what you think! By the way, I have enjoyed reading your posts on the Forum, even though we haven't had the opportunity to interact much as of yet! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | Curtnsally | 33471 | ||
Tim, thanks! I can't get too far into this now, but we can catch up a bit later... and thanks for the heads up on the Rom 9 thread. In the mean time, I agree that Rom 9:10 is national, not individual... BUT... doesn't it show us something of the character of God? I know you agree that it does, but the difficult question is: WHAT does it show us about the character of God? And, how does this jive with the rest of Scripture? Ahhh. There is a thought provoker for sure! Let's think about it, and catch up soon. Meanwhile, I'll try to read some of the previous posts. Blessings Curt |
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