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NASB | Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:20 For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are without excuse and without defense. [Ps 19:1-4; Eph 2:10] |
Subject: Is God somehow responsible? |
Bible Note: Tim, Thank you for your response. I think that man makes a free choice, but that is made possible by an actual rather than sanctifying grace. Actual grace being a grace given for a specific purpose, but not necessarily sanctifying, such as the gift given to Balaam to prophesie. And of course where I come from we hold justifying grace and sanctifying grace to be the same and to be infused(intrinsic) as well as forensic(extrinsic). It just seems to me that when grace is extrinsic there is a certain logic that leads to the even the most extreme Calvinist position as found in Barth. In my neck of the wood we hold that God predestines (but not to damnation)and man makes a truly free choice, but that how those two actually interact is a mystery. There seems to be something about the Calvinist position that disdains the mystery and has to explain everything in this context by the logic of man. Which is not to say they do not acknowledge the mystery of God Himself, but that they seem phobic about admitting any mystery in the this particular(predestination / free will)context. What is lacking in the Protestant mileu is an authoritative Church voice to say "Enough already! It's a mystery!" Would you guys like to borrow a Pope of a Council? :-) Emmaus |