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NASB | Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:20 For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are without excuse and without defense. [Ps 19:1-4; Eph 2:10] |
Subject: Is God somehow responsible? |
Bible Note: Hi Tim 1) John 17:9 has nothing to do with atonement or the extent of atonement. Jesus simply says that He is praying for His disciples and not the world. Context says it has everything to do with atonement. John 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word 2) Eph. 5:25 - If Christ died for all, then obviously He died for the parts as well. So, it could be said to even one individual that Christ died for 'you', but that does not mean that Christ therefore did not die for anyone else. So, it does not logically follow from the statment that Christ gave Himself for the church that He therefore did not actually give Himself for those who are not currently part of the church. You are partially. The elect are the church past, present and future. But there is no support for Christ's dieing for the sake of the reprobate (those whom God has witheld saving grace). Grace never fails and those whom God bestows it upon always will come to Him. 3) Mt. 26:28 seems to be your best 'proof'. However, even it falls apart when we read other passages where 'many' clearly means 'all'. In Romans 5:15 did only 'some' die because of sin, or did 'all' die because of sin? In Rom. 5:19, were only 'some' made sinners, or were 'all' made sinners? It is interesting how this arguement about many and all can be flipped when it defends one's position. Please bring this to attention od EdB and Hank :-) Concerning John 3:16, there is nothing in the verse to indicate that Christ's death is limited to only those who believe. The construction is that "He died for the world, that those who believe...". Neither does it support unlimited atonement. I must stop for now. John |