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NASB | Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:20 For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are without excuse and without defense. [Ps 19:1-4; Eph 2:10] |
Subject: Is God somehow responsible? |
Bible Note: John Let me interject here. You said, "You began by saying: "I begin with a fact, that God loves us". By "us" I presume you mean "us meaning "christians". If so, I agree with your statement. If you had meant all people universaly, I would have disagreed. " Would you show me that distinction made as you claim between saved and unsaved in John 3:16 You then said, "I hold the historic protestant view which is that God has ordained all things that occur. I also believe that the only proper way look at this subject is to recognize that all of God's works are holy, just and perfect. To do othewise is to elevate ourselves to the position of judges, with God in the dock being made to defend Himself against His accusers." That is not the only historic Protestant view. There is another that God gave man free will and allowed him choice. Just as he did with Adam and Eve he does with us all. God desired people that loved Him because he was worthy to be loved. He allowed man to choice to chose that love or not. Adam chose wrong, Man has lived with the results. Those results should even more convince us we need God but still many choose to do it their way. EdB |