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1 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51807 | ||
"I don't put baptism in the category of what Jesus tells us to do in order to be saved. I know: Mark 16:16. Please cite for me ANY other verse where Jesus links baptism and salvation. As has been clearly pointed out, that section of Mark may not be the divinely-inspired writing of Mark. You believing it was definitely in the autographs is a an article of faith on your part and not an extablished fact". This is my whole point to you. You want someone to produce another, verse in the bible, but you know you would have to add to God's word to do it. But yet you wish to take Mark 16:16 out of all bibles and trying to say it's not inspired. I believe you and your friends want to take this verse out because it doesn't support your view of salvation. As I told Hank, Mark 16:16 is here to stay. You mentioned John 6:53, the people's reply to it, was, "this is a hard saying who can hear it" Mark 16:16 is viewed the same way today, by those who want to throw it out, instead of obeying what it says! "The water in baptism is a sign of washing away sins, just like the bread and the cup are the sign of Christ's body being offered for His people. The sign of baptism accompanies the reality of regeneration, but it is not the same thing as regeneration" Your above statement says baptism is a sign, baptism takes faith just like all spoken words from God's book, you have to believe in the power of what God said it for. Your last statement to mouse2, "that statement makes no sense" it made sense to Abraham! |
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2 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 51842 | ||
No, the reality is that that entire segment of Mark does not appear in many of the earliest manuscripts. That is not come anti-"Church of Christ" ploy. That is a reality. Those verses, like some from the gospel of John, are in question. I have no doubt that the verse in Mark you base your whole theology on is here to stay, but that doesn't change the fact that it will always be in question whether God inspired it or not. You wrote: "Mark 16:16 is viewed the same way today, by those who want to throw it out, instead of obeying what it says!" Okay, this is really getting redundant. What Christian does not want to obey the command to get baptized? You seem to think that there is a world of professing Christians out there saying, "HA HA! You won't baptize ME!" Are you really that out-of-touch? "Your above statement says baptism is a sign, baptism takes faith just like all spoken words from God's book, you have to believe in the power of what God said it for." Okay...I think this is my last post on the subject because you are apparently too in the dark to make this simple distinction: Obedience TAKES faith, yes. Obedience is NOT faith. Just as one needs water to swim, but swimming is not water. Just like one needs fire to cook something, but cooking is not fire. Just like someone needs money to purchase something, but purchasing is not money. Just like someone needs a reasoning mind to understand an argument, but understanding an argument is not the same thing as possessing a reasoning mind. Feel free to have the last word. --Joe! |
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3 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51900 | ||
Wasn't it you who brought up the thief on the cross, to get around being baptized, and those on their death bed. I stated that baptism is a (part) of not the whole, of God's salvation plan; you stated, it was not! I'm not in the dark about anything, I just stated a fact about what JESUS SAID! You mentioned that Mark 16:16 was not in (many) of the older manuscripts and therefore its inspiration is questionable, if its in just one, does that mean we throw it out? Back to being in the dark, and out-of-touch, the things were talking about are nearly two thousand years old, like the christian faith, so how can someone be out-of-touch as you call it. Is it because I won't go with the flow of new-age teachings? Then you want to attact the church of Christ, what's up with that? No one attact the church you go to! Last thing, you mentioned that you are making your last post on this subject, but it is the most important subject in life itself, and people need to hear and understand what God's word teaches on this subject, so why stop now? You ask what Christian does not want to obey the command to get baptized? All true christians have been baptized for the remission of their sins! And I mean it when I say All true christians, because they understand what they heard, and believed, they repented of their sin, they confess the name of Jesus Christ, and were baptized for the remission of their sins, and God added them to the church that Jesus purchase with his own blood, and we are living for Him every day. | ||||||